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To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (89801)	11/27/2004 9:47:17 PM
From: E	Respond to of 108807

Ah, Sidney, sure it's a slam. There's no cause and effect established, there are correlations only, and they don't stand up to any examination for significance unrelated to other factors than IQ. So it's meaningless, as you know, and thus a slam. Maybe not quite a slam, maybe just a little dig, though.

To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (89801)	11/27/2004 9:57:14 PM
From: Alan Smithee	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

I think Republicans have very selective vision these days. That goes along with the low IQ's. Which btw is not a slam, it's a fact that Democrats have higher IQ's generally. That has to be one of the more absurd posts I've read recently. Could you please post your support for that statement? Citations to empirical research would be appreciated.

To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (89801)	11/27/2004 11:43:21 PM
From: epicure	Respond to of 108807

It would be ESPECIALLY nasty to say it if it were true. I doubt that it is, and I have no idea where you got your fact, but true or not, it is most certainly a rude thing to bring up, and will not add anything positive to any conversation (unless, I guess, the conversation is between two non-republicans who want to slam republicans, and that's just not going to be a very nice conversations, is it?).

To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (89801)	11/28/2004 10:00:48 PM
From: Brumar89	Respond to of 108807

Interesting illusion you have there. (eom)

To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (89801)	11/29/2004 12:31:25 AM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

I actually did find something in what appears to be a web blog about this, but it is from the 2000 election. It looks like Democrats and Republicans are about equally intelligent. I do personally believe that Republicans are more selfish, and less concerned with social problems. I also saw statistics showing that the higher your level of education was, the more likely you voted for Bush in 2004. This was not so true in the large cities, where educated intellectuals did turn out for Kerry. Which party is smarter: Republican or Democrats? I don't know of any legitimate IQ data by state, although they may well exist. As a rough proxy, however, we can use the 2003 National Assessment of Educational Progress achievement test scores for public school eighth graders. Combining the Math and Reading scores, we get the following table. (You'll note that rock-ribbed Republican Montana and South Dakota, which The Economist claims are over 1.5 standard deviations stupider than liberal Connecticut, actually outscored that New England state on the NAEP!) Rank Top States 2000 M+R NAEP Rank Bottom States 2000 M+R NAEP 1 Massachusetts Gore 560 41 Arizona Bush 526 2 Minnesota Gore 559 41 Tennessee Bush 526 3 New Hampshire Bush 557 43 Arkansas Bush 524 3 North Dakota Bush 557 44 Nevada Bush 520 3 Vermont Gore 557 45 Louisiana Bush 519 6 Montana Bush 556 46 California Gore 518 7 South Dakota Bush 555 47 Hawaii Gore 517 8 Iowa Gore 552 48 Mississippi Bush 516 9 Colorado Bush 551 49 Alabama Bush 515 9 Connecticut Gore 551 49 New Mexico Gore 515 9 Wyoming Bush 551 51 D.C. Gore 477 Overall, the averages (not weighted by population): Gore States 539.6; Bush States 538.7. That's less than a single point difference on a scale that ranges 83 points from liberal Massachusetts down to the ultra-liberal District of Columbia. A simpler and perhaps better approach is to look at the educational attainments of Gore and Bush voters according to the 2000 VNS exit poll: Vote by Education % of All Voters Gore Bush No H.S. Degree 5% 59% 39% High School Graduate 21% 48% 49% Some College 32% 45% 51% College Graduate 24% 45% 51% Post-Graduate Degree 18% 52% 44% If you weight this data on a 1 to 5 scale, with the high school dropouts as 1, then the two candidates are almost exactly equal once again. Bush edges out Gore by the meaninglessly tiny margin of 3.29 to 3.28. This means the average Bush and Gore voters both fall between "Some College" (3.0) and "College Graduate” (4.0). Gore did better among those claiming post-grad degrees, but many of the Democrat voters were schoolteachers holding degrees in Education. Also, in the 2002 House races, according to the long-delayed VNS exit poll data that was finally released in 2003, "Republicans won for the first time in decades among those claiming to have post-graduate degrees. They even captured a majority of women with college or post-graduate degrees." So I'd call this dispute over which party is smarter a dead-even toss-up. And silly. vdare.com