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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Eveningstar who wrote (662924)	11/28/2004 10:46:01 AM
From: Eveningstar	Respond to of 769670

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To: Eveningstar who wrote (662924)	11/28/2004 12:24:08 PM
From: Eveningstar	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

General Omar Bradley: "Wars can be prevented just as surely as they can be provoked, and we who fail to prevent them must share in the guilt for the dead." General Douglas MacArthur: "I have known war as few men now living know it. Its very destructiveness on both friend and foe has rendered it useless as a means of settling international disputes." Dwight D. Eisenhower: "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who are hungry and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed." Speaking "as one who has witnessed the horror and lingering sadness of war - as one who knows that another war could utterly destroy this civilization," he warned against the military-industrial complex. John F. Kennedy: "Mankind must put an end to war, or war will put an end to mankind... War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." Pope John Paul II: "In the face of the man-made calamity that every war is, one must affirm and reaffirm, again and again, that the waging of war is not inevitable or unchangeable. Humanity is not destined to self-destruction. Clashes of ideologies, aspirations and needs can and must be settled and resolved by means other than war and violence." (from the book Peace Pilgrim: Her Life and Work in Her Own Words, Chapter 9, "Extensions of Pacifism") more at peacepilgrim.net

To: Eveningstar who wrote (662924)	11/28/2004 5:44:53 PM
From: Johannes Pilch	Respond to of 769670

"Jesus was a dissident on the fringes of the Empire of his day. As Father Gregory Boyle says, "Jesus stood with everybody who was nobody. He made a beeline (always) to stand with those on the margins, those whose dignity had been denied, the poor and excluded, the easily despised, the demonized, and those whose burdens were more than they could bear. And they killed him for it." This is just a flattened leftist, stick-figure of a dead Messiah that in fact does not exist in the Scriptures. Jesus was no “dissident.” He was the Shepherd of Israel calling whoever would respond to Him, rich or poor, when He said “follow me “. He was not on the fringes of the Empire. The Empire was on the fringes of Jesus. And this is most obvious since today we speak of the Roman Empire as a now dead Empire, while the whole world, even while in its rapid heathen decline, celebrates a risen Christ. Jesus didn’t make any “beeline” to the poor. He spoke to rich and poor, often even in the synagogues. The poor flocked to Him as they always have because whereas the wealthy tend to have faith in their wealth, the poor by definition have no wealth in which to have faith. Wealth is a killer of faith. It is far easier for the poor to cling to Jesus than for the rich. Lastly, no one killed Jesus because He helped the poor. The Scriptures are very clear that the Pharisees had Him killed because He claimed to be the equal of God and His works justified His claims. There is no such thing as a “Christian Progressive.” We see here nothing but the ranting of garden variety leftists who are trying to hide behind a fake Jesus as they take pot-shots at George Bush and Karl Rove. Very shallow, very hypocritical, very leftist.