To: Poet who wrote (89956 ) 11/29/2004 2:35:07 AM From: E Respond to of 108807 I agree with Grainne. Greystone is not her responsibility. Neither is this community, which is evidently behaving rather oddly. I'll admit to not having followed this closely, but I have read with some concern (for him and his family) Greystone's posts, which are largely the incomprehensible products of something going on in his head. I don't see why "this community" has been riven by either what Grainne said (which maybe I'll comment on more later if I have time). (To me it looked like a statement of an essentially religious tenet of hers; from my POV it was a tenet reflecting nutty (to me) values, but it's not the first imo nutty and cruel religious or ethical tenet I've heard presented on SI; and making the statement to someone who knew one of the victims was probably something she wouldn't have done had she realized. At least I hope not.) But the degree to which Grainne's statement reflecting essentially religious, or spiritual, values few of us share (she seems to believe dogs and cats and deer have souls or spirits or something that puts them on a values-hierarchy-par with human beings) seems to be riling people up seems to be way beyond the sadness and shock that her callous (to us) remark must have occasioned on the part of the victim's friend, who right now has other things than the Feelies thread on his or her mind. That grieving friend aside, Grainne harmed no one. She's just one woman, and she just expressed her "self" on a chat thread. That's actually the way she thinks, oddly enough! She's not shooting people or harming them in any way. She's being (imo) wildly insensitive and impolitic and silly. But then I think being a vegan is silly. That's my personal POV. Probably based partly on the fact that once a writer named Harold Brodkey who was dying of AIDS took me to a trendy vegan restaurant in NYC (he and his wife were trying to improve his health with a vegan diet) (it didn't help, just made him even more emaciated) and though they sat there and praised the cuisine, the place was both very expensive and had the worst food I've EVER eaten in my LIFE. EVER. It included burdock root. OMG. I think vegans are strange. I think what Grainne said is 'twisted.' To me, it "FEELS" like that. I'm Talking About My Feelings. Grainne may well be deeply offended by what I just said about her values and expressed spiritual or religious beliefs. But she won't freak out, presumably. . As for Greystone, I hope he gets some help and will be okay, and really I don't at all get the furor, as who's hurting right now, besides him? I won't be able to reply to anything posted to me in the immediate future, sorry. Just felt like weighing in before i go to bed, and I'm falling asleep as I type, so excuse typos.