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To: elpolvo who wrote (2269)	11/30/2004 5:20:40 AM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 361089

elpolvo, The problem with that analysis is that it simply fails to address how to one-up the opposition. There was a profound insularity and introspective cast to Ms. Robbins proposed solution. And no actionable plan of attack. I much prefer the route proposed decades ago by one of the most successful community organizers that America has ever produced. In his wonderful book, "Rules for Radicals", Saul Alinsky says: "Here I propose to present an arrangement of certain facts and general concepts of change, a step toward a science of revolution." Alinsky got things done. One of his fun insights into his approach was to observe that "'The Prince' was written by Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. 'Rules for Radicals' is written for the Have-nots on how to take it away." In a nutshell, here's how we defeat George Bush and take back America: Rule 1: Power is not only what you have, but what an opponent thinks you have. If your organization is small, hide your numbers in the dark and raise a din that will make everyone think you have many more people than you do. Rule 2: Never go outside the experience of your people. The result is confusion, fear, and retreat. Rule 3: Whenever possible, go outside the experience of an opponent. Here you want to cause confusion, fear, and retreat. Rule 4: Make opponents live up to their own book of rules. “You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.” Rule 5: RICICULE IS MAN'S MOST POTENT WEAPON. It’s hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage. Rule 6: A good tactic is one your people enjoy. “If your people aren’t having a ball doing it, there is something very wrong with the tactic.” Rule 7: A tactic that drags on for too long becomes a drag. Commitment may become ritualistic as people turn to other issues. Rule 8: Keep the pressure on. Use different tactics and actions and use all events of the period for your purpose. “The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition. It is this that will cause the opposition to react to your advantage.” Rule 9: The threat is more terrifying than the thing itself. When Alinsky leaked word that large numbers of poor people were going to tie up the washrooms of O’Hare Airport, Chicago city authorities quickly agreed to act on a longstanding commitment to a ghetto organization. They imagined the mayhem as thousands of passengers poured off airplanes to discover every washroom occupied. Then they imagined the international embarrassment and the damage to the city’s reputation. Rule 10: The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative. Avoid being trapped by an opponent or an interviewer who says, “Okay, what would you do?” Rule 11: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it. Don’t try to attack abstract corporations or bureaucracies. Identify a responsible individual. Ignore attempts to shift or spread the blame. According to Alinsky, the main job of the organizer is to bait an opponent into reacting. “The enemy properly goaded and guided in his reaction will be your major strength.” *** Rules for Radicals: powells.com Reveille for Radicals: powells.com

To: elpolvo who wrote (2269)	11/30/2004 11:23:18 AM
From: coug	Respond to of 361089

ep, Thanks my friend, Good advice.. <<You find other folks like yourself, 56 million of them, who are hurting, broken, and beating themselves up. You tell them what you've learned, and that you aren't going to take it anymore. You stand tall, with 56 million people at your side and behind you, and you look right into the eyes of the abuser and you tell him to go to hell>> You damn right.. I'll say it now.. GO to HELL ALL you selfish, mean-spirited bastards.. c

To: elpolvo who wrote (2269)	11/30/2004 11:28:12 AM
From: altair19	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 361089

polvito <How to break free? Again, the answer is quite simple.> ...you hit back, or better yet use a judo move where you take advantage of their momentum and use it against them. I don't mean this from a macho point of view at all - abusers need to be stood up to...just like a school yard bully. And sometimes, in order to make them stop, you do have to hit back. That was an interesting read (Victimization) - thanks for sending it. I know this won't sound right at all when you first hear it,......... but the quickest way to end the war in Iraq is to reinstitute the draft. Volunteer armies do what they are told and become the personal possession of the Commander and Chief. Draftees will tell you what is really going on and their impact back home will have a broader effect. They will push back on the entire system...they will question, they will raise hell, they will become the embedded reporters as soon as they get on the net. The idea makes me puke and I surely mean no disrespect for the soldiers who are in Iraq - the draft would be a horrific price to pay....I guess my mind wandered out too far on the edge? Later Altair19