Message 20742285
I found it by doing a search for 'inflammatory.'
You'll see that you referred to me as "Sidney," so maybe that is why you didn't remember the exchange being with me.
I've already replied to the contention that nothing happens after fertilization except growth. A great deal happens, besides growth, growth being an increase in size. Things develop like, say, a person: a brain, a central nervous system, the differentiation that creates body parts, the changes that create a male, a female, a hemaphrodite, a gay (maybe; this isn't clear), etc. These are not just "growth," this is development from potential to actual human beings.
I'm going to bold this question, because I'm hoping you will reply to it, not because I'm shouting!:
Do you feel that the hundreds of millions of spontaneous abortions that take place every month are a holocaust of sorts?
If you think all abortion is murder, then it would seem that all those spontaneous ones are horrendous to contemplate. To me, they aren't. It's cells and not human beings. That's why.
I see that the anti-abortion article from the Catholic Herald says, "Professionals who've been counseling women and studying abortion aftermath report a very different scenario: a hidden world of grief, loss, shame, regret, anger, emptiness, sadness, isolation, and a sense of worthlessness. The intensity of these feelings, and the disruption they cause, can range from relatively mild (as with complicated bereavement) to severe and life-threatening, as in post-traumatic stress disorder and suicide."
It also says that "1.36 percent of women could be classified as suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), a debilitating mental disorder."
I think that there is a great deal of propaganda going on that will tend to increase psychological problems like PTSD. Certainly your plan would. And the same propaganda will encourage people who should not be raising, or neglecting, or abusing, a child to have one. It makes me sick to think of that.
The article doesn't discuss the depression or suicide rates or child-abuse stats of women forced to gestate against their will or the results of illegal abortions, which you have mentioned yourself. Basically, it's not impressive to me. For example, this is a correlation only, but is offered as meaningful: "The mental health claims of low-income California women who had state-funded childbirth or abortion in 1989 were followed for up to six years. Low-income women who had abortions "were more than twice as likely to have 2 to 9 treatments for mental health as women who carried to term," they found."
What were the differences between those who decided they were ready to bear a child and those who weren't? Were those difference controlled for? This article doesn't say. If they weren't, those stats mean nothing whatever. Maybe those who decided they could have a child were better situated in life, had family support, were more likely to be married, had come from happier families themselves.... etc
Another example: the mildest reaction to the choice to abort that they give is "relatively mild as with complicated bereavement." They made that up, it's propaganda. I've known a lot of people who've had abortions including my own mother and other relatives, and including many friends. I never knew one who wasn't relieved or one who had any "complicated bereavement" problems. I know one woman who had three abortions, all early. The only one she had "mild as with complicated bereavement problems" about was the last, because it was her last chance to have a child, and she knew this.
Wait. That's not quite true. The thirty-something wife of a relative of my husband's had an early miscarriage, named the bloody clot that she called "the baby," had a "bereavement ceremony" involving music, candles and floating a piece of paper with the "baby's" name on it down a stream. Very self-dramatizing. I refrained from asking her if she had a sentimental ceremony every month. I have had less respect for her ever since then. What a goose.
Now that's it for the discussion whether the state should have a right to force unwilling women who don't have the money to travel to gestate to term, which is my only interest in the subject. I really don't want that to happen. |
