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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Greg or e who wrote (18816)	12/2/2004 3:39:10 PM
From: Solon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 28931

"it's just there were not thousands of gods that informed the framers of the DOI and the Constitution There was only one..." No Gods informed the framers of the Constitution. The Constitution is a secular document from the first word till the last. It is entirely neutral on religious beliefs. America is multicultural and thus treats all people equally regardless of religious beliefs. The Treaty of Tripoli received UNANIMOUS consent "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion". Therefore, if you make the claim that the Constitution was founded upon religious principles then you MUST exclude Christianity from that claim. It is as simple as that! Some people never know when to quit digging when they are in a hole! "What you have failed to do is to demonstrate why; using reason alone and starting with a naturalistic material godless universe, humans have any more dignity than other animals or dirt for that matter." The value I place on people or dirt is entirely independent of whether I believe in Janus or Jesus or Jupiter. All creatures value their own life. We just happen to have more power than some and less than others. Cows hang out with cows. Geese hang out with geese. People hang out with people. One would get awfully lonely trying to converse with a goose day after day, year after year. Which is why I sometimes must discontinue our conversation. But I will talk with you again, later.

To: Greg or e who wrote (18816)	12/2/2004 7:09:59 PM
From: E. Charters	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 28931

"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world." It seem evident that there was a religious basis for the constitution, herein seen referred to as an implicit basis from the DOI. It was not necessarily Christian but was based in part on some Christian principles. Driving philosophies of the DOI and the Constitution have long been argued and the general consensus is that renaissance - ascetic - cynic philosophy seems to have been dominant. It most certainly was not "liberalism." The framers as they are called were astringent purist and practical. The overwhelming majority of them were protestant Christian. These influences were inherent in their government. It is also evident that the democratic party and democrats in general were not tolerated: The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened), against domestic Violence. EC<°-~