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To: goldworldnet who wrote (153272)	12/3/2004 3:43:14 PM
From: steve dietrich	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 281500

Death toll is never "minor" if it's someone you are close to.

To: goldworldnet who wrote (153272)	12/3/2004 4:29:57 PM
From: cnyndwllr	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Goldworldnet, you wrote: The death toll is minor compared with other wars.. Do you have any concept of what it is you're trying to convey? It reminds me of the old saying that "moderate pain" can be defined as someone else's pain. I'll tell you what I told another poster that used that same intellectually and morally weak justification: "Put yourself on the line covered with your buddy's blood, imagine yourself at the door when the message comes that your child is DEAD in Iraq, start waking up with the nightmares of the Iraqi and American dead, and then talk to me about how the losses aren't "immense," and how there is no "big hit." [or in your case, "minor death toll."] Can't you understand that you cannot quantify such losses in a number's sense? Can't you understand that such losses suffered by our young at our direction and in our name are of such a QUALITY that they are always immense, always a "big hit" and are never capable of dismissal in terms of numbers? I don't care if it's one life lost or thousands; if we send our troops to kill and die the losses are immense and we should never attempt to justify such losses unless the mission is absolutely necessary and the the mission is very likely achievable. Otherwise it is an obscenity and we can never justify the waste to the loved ones that suffer or the soldiers that pay the price. So I hope you'll stop trying to argue that side of the equation as justifying the adventure in Iraq. It's either worth doing with a lot more lives lost or it's not worth doing with one life lost. Because whenever we send our young to war the losses are too huge to quantify." Read another way, I'm saying that you should be ashamed of such insensitive, cavalier dismissals of such huge costs. You owe the men and women we send into that meatgrinder at least that much. Ed