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To: Michael Watkins who wrote (153324)12/4/2004 11:54:20 AM
From: Nadine Carroll  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Again you write as if Saddam was some kind of innocent. He was a ruthless tyrant with a desperate desire to obtain WMDs and certainly to give the appearance of having them. If our intelligence had been ten times better than it was, if we had had a mole in Saddam's inner circle, we still would have thought that he possessed them because his own generals thought so. Saddam paid 100s of billions in sanctions to keep his WMDs. He steadily lied, cheated and deceived the UN inspectors, as they found time and again. Who knew what he had? Who would have thought that he did it for a mere bluff, to cover up nothing? Who would have assumed so?

Nobody sane. What we know of his weapons we know only because we invaded. And we still don't know what was trucked to Syria. Moreover, because we invaded, we learned of very advanced nuclear programs in Libya and in Pakistan, that were being proliferated freely.

You keep saying that Saddam didn't turn out to have nukes, so he was "safe". This is the arguement of the left - Saddam was horrible, murderous and vile, if you can say that the US "had a hand in it". But the minute the US doesn't have a hand in it, Saddam becomes an innocent lamb, whose intentions all should trust. The sanctions should have been lifted (this was absolutely the argument of the left, in response to Saddam's dead babies parades), and Saddam left with his revenues to do what he pleased.

What we know now of Saddam's intentions, and AQ Khans' ready proliferation, would tell any sane person that once the sanctions had come off, it would not be too long before willing seller met eager buyer. If Saddam had managed to get nukes before 1990, he might be master of the Persian Gulf now, in control of 2/3rds of the world's oil. Maybe you would prefer this outcome.



To: Michael Watkins who wrote (153324)12/5/2004 8:55:24 AM
From: GST  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Canada should be leery of Bush doctrine

ANDREW M. JOHNSTON

The day before President George Bush touched down in Ottawa to announce his second-term foreign policy consisted of staying the course, a U.N.-appointed panel came to a troubling conclusion:

"There is little evident international acceptance," it argued, "of the idea of security being best preserved by a balance of power, or by any single — even benignly motivated — superpower."

The panel, which included Bush Sr.'s former National Security adviser Brent Scowcroft, concluded that "in a world full of perceived potential threats, the risk of the global order ... is simply too great for the legality of unilateral preventive action ... to be accepted."

The next day Bush congenially reached out to Canadians to say let bygones be bygones.

His trip to his northern neighbour was intended to not only mend fences, but, much more so, to give the president's kinder, gentler face a test drive before taking it to Europe.

It likely succeeded.

When asked, though, what historians would later make of the visit, I responded weakly, "Well, it depends what happens next."

The era of not-quite-good-but-certainly-better feelings between Canada and the U.S. got a fresh start, but the old irritants will still be there: lumber, missile defence, the Iraq war, diverging values and, yes, preventive war.

While Bush was thanking Canadians and Prime Minister Paul Martin was promising a better relationship, the president affirmed his foreign policies were correct and that Canada should get over itself and endorse them.

He even implied that William Lyon Mackenzie King's internationalism was closer in spirit to the doctrine of pre-emption, a claim that will, no doubt, strike many historians as odd.

But Bush's aim was to align himself with a tradition of constructive (and always defensive) intervention, rather than with the neo-isolationism that is historically the domain of American conservatives.

Now Canadian multilateralists north of the border are tarred with the isolationist brush.

So, an otherwise quiet visit with not much to show in terms of concrete gains, nevertheless offers a number of interesting implications.

First, Bush stated during his press conference that his re-election was a clear mandate for his foreign policy — the term "political capital" has become the buzzword of Washington.

There's no doubt the president acquired a solid mandate in November, but it certainly didn't reflect affection for his foreign policy.

Rightly or wrongly, it rested more on his support among cultural conservatives who liked his social values than on a grasp of what his foreign policy stands for.

In fact, a majority of Bush supporters in the election didn't actually know what his foreign policy vision was.

A poll compiled by the University of Maryland last October found that 58 per cent of Bush voters thought that if it was revealed that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction and had not been aiding Al Qaeda (as the 9/11 Commission concluded), the U.S. should not have gone to war.

Republicans coped with their cognitive dissonance by simply misreading what the 9/11 Commission said.

Bush supporters, the study could only conclude, needed to misrepresent Bush's foreign policy assumptions in order to preserve their support for a nation at war.

It went even deeper than that: Republican voters also misperceived the administration's positions on the Kyoto accord, the International Criminal Court, the land mine treaty, and the Comprehensive Test Ban.

Second, as sweet as it is of Bush to remember our beloved King, his genealogy of American foreign policy is askew.

The ancestors to George W. Bush's "just war" doctrine are not Franklin D. Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson. Some of the latter's sweeping moralism and insistence that the aim of U.S. foreign policy ought to be to convert the world to western democracy is there.

But the real inspirations are elsewhere.

After World War II had discredited isolationism in the United States, Republican nationalists reached out to other symbols of American power: a strong air force, nuclear superiority, a brief flirtation with preventive nuclear war, and a distaste for morally inferior allies.

The thinking was that America could dispense with multilateralism if it maintained enough military power to keep its enemies away from the United States.

Pre-emption isn't the child of Wilsonian internationalism, but of an impatient, nationalist desire to remake the world without the grubby work of cumbersome diplomacy and compromise.

The other intellectual wellspring for the neo-conservatives is widely believed to be political philosopher Leo Strauss.

The Bush administration is awash in Straussians (Leon Kass, Zalmay Khalilzad, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Bill Kristol, and Robert Kagan, to name a few) who, among other things, believe that true statesmanship entails overriding constitutional democracy and using Machiavellian instruments of deceit and autocracy to maintain all measure of social inequities.

There's no question most Canadians want a less fractious relationship with the United States and maybe even a more robust Pearsonian internationalism. But we might be wary of what we're signing onto in the name of economic prosperity and good feelings.

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Andrew Johnston teaches American history at the University of Western Ontario and is currently serving as co-director of Western's Centre for American Studies.

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