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To: Whitebeard who wrote (89446)	12/6/2004 5:37:33 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793927

None of us thought that the liberalism of the 60's would lead to an attack on Christmas as a holiday. I think you're mistaken if you interpret any of this "as an attack on Christmas as a holiday." Sure, there are always a few nuts and some may be doing that, but I think most of it is just about trying to be more inclusive, more tolerant. Inclusiveness is a basic element of liberalism. It's also a salient element of liberal Christianity as distinguished from evangelical or fundamentalist Christianity. Two different aspects of Christianity. This attack you're talking about is largely implemented by Christians from liberal sects. It's sort of like the United Church of Christ commercial that the networks wouldn't show. Liberal Christianity is the softer side of Christianity, the nurturing rather than the authoritarian. Still Christianity, methinks.

To: Whitebeard who wrote (89446)	12/6/2004 7:09:53 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793927

Whoa, chill out, dude! Remember, we actually have no idea when Christ was born, but the most likely time was in the springtime - the Gospels record that shepherds were watching the lambs in the fields! And lambs are born in the springtime, for the most part. Christians decided to celebrate Christmas in December because most religions already had a feast day in December. People LIKE having feasts in December, when the days are short and the nights are long, and it's cold and draggy. And the Romans celebrated Saturnalia, so the Christians decided to have Christmas at the same time. There are a LOT of traditional holidays in December, not just Christmas, with their own holiday traditions. For example, Yule, Yule logs, and Yule elves are Scandinavian, pre-Christian. Mistletoe is Celtic, pre-Christian. And Ramadan, which occurs according to a lunar calender, often occurs in December, and the end of Ramadan is a huge party for Muslims, as special to them as Christmas is to Christians. Personally, it's no skin off my nose to wish as much joy as I can think of.