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To: JF Quinnelly who wrote (66111)	12/7/2004 12:08:21 AM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 71178

<//I say logic is material// I'll start with this. How much does it way? What is the smallest volume it occupies? Where is some of it located?> I can sell you some for US$42 a kilogram. High quality logic is much more. The quality is measured in probability. But you can buy it in other quantities too. By the metre, or cubic metre, the lumen, the joule, etc. Low quality logic would be an expectation that there are green elephants in CB's garden. Middling quality logic would be that there are leprechauns there. Higher quality logic, and fairly pricey when you consider the amount of money sloshing around the religious industry, would be a deity lurking in the shrubbery who can bootstrap themself and everything else into action, more expensive still is the self-referential Goedelian type and you can pay top dollar for the double-your-money-back guaranteed logic of Mqurice's Rulz of spin-created dual reality in which the observer creates the observed which observes the observer which creates the observer - a kind of hall of mirrors with reflections everywhere. Cheap logic has some possibility of representing reality as it comes down the pike, but probably won't. Mqurice's "the future here today" logic accurately defines reality before it happens. It's like reading tomorrow's newspapers today. Which is great for stock investing and avoiding being crashed in an aircraft. You can see why it's expensive. The cost of figuring it out is very high and I believe in selling for what the market will bear [because that's the logic of how things work - the highest bidder on the spot gets the goods]. You get what you pay for. What volume does it occupy? Where is some of it located? I quite like analogies. Think of logic as like language. It can fit easily on the head of a pin. Or it can be written across the sky. It might be in a library, in vibrations in the air, or as neuron firing patterns in your brain. But it occupies more than zero volume. Language needs at least enough size to be recognized. A single word would take less space than the stuff in the Congressional Library, if they both used the same medium. Language doesn't exist outside some medium to carry it. There can't be empty space with language in it. It's the medium which enables and comprises the language. No medium, no language. No medium, no logic. It's the medium which defines the logic. Your brain has a certain instantaneous form. Your brain defines your logic. Your thoughts don't exist outside your brain. <I started with some properties of logic, which parallel properties of 'god' that you can find in Greek philosophical musings and in Aquinas. Timelessness. Perfection. Necessity.> Fair enough. My concern is that as soon as the word God is used, it comes loaded down with Santa Claus mystical baggage and any logical discussion ends. But if you want to use it in such a limited sense, fair enough. There is a problem though - if I said, "Okay, God does exist", somebody else would say that I admit that I believe in Santa. It's better to have unpolluted words with single meanings. <Which brings us to the question of what defines it, what makes it exist, and what does it depend upon? Unless logic is just a convenient tool that 'seems to work', and has no real existence > What makes it exist? The four forces of the apocalypse: Gravity, Weak, Strong and Electromagnetic. mikrotorr.net What do those forces depend on? I think each other. I'd add another = the observer in that a photon for example is in all possible states until it's observed, then it decides how it was long ago when it left the source and passed a gravity lens. So they say. Spin seems to hang it all together, in much the same way that governmental spin hangs the WAT together [and government in general]. Everything is spinning. DNA coils around itself, galaxies orbit, electrons whizz around nuclei flat out, males and females orbit around each other, hurricanes spin, gyroscopes spin, my head spins. Please don't ask me where that posse of forces came from. Where they are going might be easier to figure out. It's only logical after all. I think I have now given you an executive summary of the Grand Unification Theory of Life the Universe and Everything and now you have the answer. $42 a kilogram... Sold? Mqurice