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To: Neocon who wrote (153560)	12/7/2004 3:55:15 PM
From: carranza2	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

All in all, a very fair effort for this abbreviated forum, but you should know that you are casting your pearls before swine. A complete waste of time and energy. We are the world's premier terrorist state, don't you know? We export terrorism as a matter of deliberately chosen foreign policy. Our Export of Terrorism Department is sneakily denominated the Defense Department. You are talking to a guy who has no clue as to what happened in Austria in 1683 or at the Lepanto. Or in Andalusia. Who has no clue what the words "tawfik" or "hudna" mean, who wouldn't know his Mecca from his Medina from his Mossadegh. Pollack is right, because of our preoccupation with the future, because we are an aspirational people, we have turned into a nation of addled serial amnesiacs. We see terrific examples at this forum.

To: Neocon who wrote (153560)	12/7/2004 5:21:00 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

"Islamicist ideology begins with the failure of the Muslim world to prevail..." I have a different view of that failure. It failed because the scholars in an errant attempt to keep the Islamic community from further territorial fragmentation after the fall of the Ottoman Empire began endorsing political literatures justifying monarchial regimes from Islamic perspective and to islamize such regime formats. This was a huge error, and one that has driven Islamic scholarship since that time, in my opinion. This is the only part that I find favor with...with some edits. "The answer is due to the increasing injustice, corruption, and impiety of the ruling elites among the Muslims. For this reason, the infidel was allowed to humiliate and punish the Muslims, until such time as they arose, revived their faith, and returned to their former glory, eventually to add on hegemony over all those who do not submit to Allah." If Muslims were living according to their faith, instead of corrupted political agendas, they would be the models of conservative morality and charitable living.