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Politics : Liberalism: Do You Agree We've Had Enough of It? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: cirrus who wrote (844)	12/8/2004 8:22:25 PM
From: Wayners	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 224668

Please see the U.N. resolutions including those authorizing the resumption of the 1991 UN Sanctioned Gulf War for failing to abide by the terms of the U.N. Sanctioned Cease Fire Agreement. Thats a HUGE difference. Are you in denial that Iraq's regime failed to honor the Cease Fire Agreement?

To: cirrus who wrote (844)	12/9/2004 12:32:28 AM
From: Neeka	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 224668

I'm sorry. I don't think your analogy is the reality in Iraq. The Coalition is not in Iraq to decide or dictate who will or will not be allowed to do what within the society. The Coalition is in Iraq to give the people the right to decide who their leaders will be. An important by product of that right will be the right to independence, democracy, freedom and security with equal opportunity for all. Call me an idealist or romantic, but I see a huge difference between your scenario and mine.

To: cirrus who wrote (844)	12/9/2004 12:59:57 AM
From: Neeka	Respond to of 224668

This isn't a war about the aggressors, America. This is a war about the right to enjoy the inalienable rights of mankind, and throwing off the chains of oppression and tyranny. M IRAQ: The Dirty War in the Shadows Startegy Page December 7, 2004: The fighting in Iraq is a continuation of the war that began in March, 2003. While Saddam's army and government was quickly demolished, his supporters in Sunni Arab areas of central Iraq were still there. Saddam didn't rule Iraq with the army, but with a force of skilled and ruthless terrorists. With a strength of over 100,000 men (and a few women), the work was often done at night. Real, or suspected, opponents of Saddam were kidnapped, beaten or killed in the dark. Broad daylight executions, or mutilations, in public places, were also used. Terror is fueled by frightening images, either mental or visual. The work of these terrorists continues, but the victims are fighting back. Saddam's thugs were chased out of northern Iraq ten years ago, with the U.S and Britain providing backup for the Kurds doing the chasing. In southern Iraq, Shia Arab gangs have been forming to go after Saddam's men in mixed Shia/Sunni areas of central Iraq. Saddam's thugs have been terrorizing and killing Shia Arabs. This is done mainly gain dominance and control in towns and neighborhoods with mixed populations. The thugs want everyone to know who the real boss is. The main target of the Sunni Arab gangs are the police and security forces. But these are increasingly staffed with Shia Arabs and Kurds. Saddam's men cannot threaten the families of Kurdish cops, and are having a harder time reaching the kin of Shia Arab police and soldiers. Western journalists have a hard enough time covering the battle involving American troops, but they are almost completely cut out of this other war. All you hear reported is the occasional killing of a prominent Sunni Arab (usually a clergyman). But the body count on both sides is quite high, and trending against the Sunni Arabs. If the Sunnis gather together in large groups, to overwhelm local police, they risk getting caught, and demolished by American troops. Operating in smaller groups, and there is increasing danger from Shia Arab (and even Kurdish) death squads. This is a very dirty war, which will eventually get reported as such. But for the moment, it's a dangerous beat for reporters, because neither side wants journalists along, and will kill any who get too close.