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To: cnyndwllr who wrote (153701)	12/8/2004 4:49:49 PM
From: jlallen	Respond to of 281500

Sure...I care.....and as Rumsfeld says they are pressing the manufacturers as hard as they can to get all the HUMVEEs armored. Seems to me if the war was really about "profiteering" as the Bush haters claim, we'd be awash in armor. And the one point I made BTW, is that the media hyped the exchange...its a reasonable question.......but its not a "grilling"... J.

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (153701)	12/8/2004 5:13:04 PM
From: neolib	Respond to of 281500

Rhodesia and S. Africa used these odd looking contraptions (I think S. Africa called them Rhinos) that were made locally. They where very tall, with a long V-shaped undercarriage for blast deflection. They worked quite well against landmines, even when boosted with additional TNT. I'm sure they were much cheaper then Humvees. In Rhodesia, the farmers would use an 1/8" steel sheet, several inches of styrafoam, then another 1/8" steel sheet as armour against standard 7.62mm armour piercing rounds (which would go through 1/2" steel plate or even more). The first sheet strips the lead from the tungsten core, and gets the core tilted, so by the time it hits the 2'nd plate, it is at an angle, and is much less likely to penetrate. Cheap and effective. BTW, I recently saw an article on a spacecraft shield (I think for an upcoming comet probe?) that used three thin copper sheets with air gaps between them. They were firing nylon pellets at 4 or 5 Km/s for testing. Most impressive.