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To: michael97123 who wrote (153707)	12/8/2004 5:07:31 PM
From: cnyndwllr	Respond to of 281500

Mike, I believe that my position has always been that we would eventually have to acknowledge that the "mission" was not doable. I thought, and think, that will gradually dawn on more and more Americans over time and that the push to get out will come from the voting public. I don't think it will come from the people whose fantasy, deliberate deniability, thinking has pushed us farther and farther from rationality and principled action. I think the Congress will read those tea leaves long before you and I do and they will act to precipitate change. Ed

To: michael97123 who wrote (153707)	12/8/2004 5:33:22 PM
From: neolib	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi Mike & Ed. It appears that Ed holds out little (no) hope of success, I hold out a little, and you rather more than I, but less than neocon. The three of us do agree that if success does not come shortly, Reps will likely force reality on Bush, although you perhaps think Bush might see the light first, while I don't see that happening. Somehow Bush is forced to exit. It is the consequences of the latter that interest me. You seem to think this will be net positive for Bush, to disentangle himself while trying to cast the results in as favorable a light as possible. He can than get on effectively with other tasks. I think it will irreparably damage his 2'nd term which will be full of endless recriminations and little productive accomplishments. Ed thinks it will be his just desserts for stupidity?