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To: cnyndwllr who wrote (153758)	12/9/2004 2:17:03 PM
From: cnyndwllr	Respond to of 281500

I should have added to the list of deceptions the fact that the number of injured and dead resulting from the Iraqi war is being deliberately minimized through technical interpretations that leave thousands of men and women off the list. Can you imagine not counting as an official kia a wounded soldier who dies after medivac out of Iraq? How transparent is that? Look what they did with the "Gulf War Syndrome" victims. Look at the efforts it took to finally bring the facts of the My Lai massacre to light, even though we had a chopper pilot who landed and stopped Calley's company from finishing off some of the villagers. The pattern is too consistent to ignore and we should be alert to the willingness of the military to create such deceptions. Ed

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (153758)	12/9/2004 4:52:04 PM
From: jlallen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I can certainly understand Mrs. Tilman's quest for all the facts.... But the Army hid what? Why did they release the results of the investigation.....? You know, there's lots to bash the government, any government when any party is in power....but this is nonsense....and my question remains.....what is the purpose.....??? JLA

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (153758)	12/11/2004 12:02:49 PM
From: Mary Cluney	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<think that level of deception is damaging for a democracy and drives an even bigger wedge between people on each side of the thinking divide. And that's the "purpose" of revealing such clear cut examples of lies and deceits. Ed The deception can go on for quite some time. It can get to absurd levels and people would continue to die for no reason. Lyndon B Johnson who enlarged the Vietnam War to absurd levels would turn on the Generals and Officers that he bullied into telling lies about how well the war was going. When things got really bad (absurd), he would ask his Officers why if he adds up all the body count reports of enemy soldiers killed and wounded, how could there be any enemy combatants left to fight? Of course there was no answer to that because everyone was pushed into making up body counts (and officers were probably promoted because of their lies) and telling the President what he wanted (and ordered) to hear. I think this is going to happen again. Everybody in the military chain of command knows what the President wants to hear and that is what they are going to tell him. When it becomes impossible to continue this lie, the President will turn on the last person that contiues to tell him what he wants to hear. You know, it will go something like "You go to war with the army that you have and not with the army you would like to have ...yada, yada, yada...." That is what everyone told me, but knowing what I know now, I wouldn't change a thing..... I wouldn't want people to think I didn't have resolve ....like all those Clinton people.....yada, yada, yada.... The more things change, the more things stay the same.

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (153758)	12/11/2004 1:32:03 PM
From: Suma	Respond to of 281500

I agree with your post as I find it accurate in what in my brief experience with the Army Special Services was the case. Cover ups, exaggerations,distortions and then appeasement to whomever is in CHARGE.. Mary Cluney gives a good response to your post cnydllr.... Truth is not an attribute in war as the story has to line up to pacify the American public, please the commander in chief and most of all keep Americans proud. The truth is too demoralizing and disastrous for it be revealed.