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To: carranza2 who wrote (153760)	12/9/2004 2:21:09 PM
From: michael97123	Respond to of 281500

"The best definiton of neocon I have read--and I forget where I read it--is this: "A liberal mugged by reality."" That was said pre-9/11. I wonder whether iraq proves that the same mistakes get made over and over when folks ignore reality. In the sense that they were expecting flowers and a relatively easy time post war, indicates another mugging. mike

To: carranza2 who wrote (153760)	12/9/2004 2:45:04 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Yes, it is an Irving Kristol quote. A whole bloc of "neoconservatives" were Schachtmanites. He was a socialist who decided that intellectuals should follow the lead of the working class, and therefore of the unions. He was very anticommunist. The Schachtmanites became the dominant faction in the Socialist Party, and committed the Socialists to supporting Ronald Reagan in 1980. This lead to a split, and the foundation of the Democratic Socialists of America by Michael Harrington, a few years before he died. Sidney Hook, who got labelled a neoconservative, considered himself a socialist and atheist all his life. It is possible that George Orwell, who favored the West in the Cold War and cooperated with MI5, would have been labelled a neoconservative had he lived long enough.