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To: Mary Cluney who wrote (90064)	12/10/2004 11:15:33 AM
From: aladin	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793917

Mary, My 'thesis' is that there is a problem in Muslim society and I thinks it stands up to any kind of scrutiny, and its not a guess. Whether this has anything to do with Islam as a religion is an entirely separate issue. Dogma, core beliefs and practices create big differences. Examples: Did Jim Jones defile Christianity with his cult, did his actions slime all of us? Did Christian belief lead him to violence or was he simply an aberrant individual who in another society would have sone something equally bizarre? As a committed secular atheist - Josef Stalin presided over the murder and extermination of whole societies. Are secularists inherently evil? If our society was producing dozens of Jim Jones per year we might want to reconsider lots of things about our morals and ethics. And this would have nothing to do with Christs teachings or the Bible, but with the circumstances producing these types. If we had religious schools producing the violent preachers, we might want to look at what was happening there. John

To: Mary Cluney who wrote (90064)	12/10/2004 11:31:13 AM
From: DMaA	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793917

Fascinating juxtaposition of scientific method and gut feeling. I don't think your thesis would hold up in a controlled scientific study. That is just a guess on my part.

To: Mary Cluney who wrote (90064)	12/11/2004 1:28:14 AM
From: frankw1900	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793917

My guess is that you could just as easily incite Chrisitians to hate and want to kill (if the conditions are right) as for people to incite Muslims to hate and to want to kill. It happened with Christians in the 20th century when they took up fascism. It's happened with some Muslims now because they've taken up a form of fascism disguised as Muslim. In both cases, it's not a matter of religion but political ideology. In both cases the ideology is meant to to be an excuse and permission to rob, enslave and kill others under the god-like rulers. It's easier to produce such a political movement under a religious banner because the "divine imprimatur" makes it easier to overcome inhibitions against robbery, enslavement and killing.