To: Grainne who wrote (91072 ) 12/11/2004 5:02:20 PM From: average joe Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 108807 "I think it's really nice and sweet that the moose lived to tell the tale of his near miss with your car!" I'm driving a one tonne truck with a lift kit and he would have landed on my lap with me personally cushioning the blow. "I doubt that it was a moose suicide attempt. I don't think that they have the insight to contemplate their own mortality that we do. And I think they are probably lucky for that! The last half of human life seems to be heavily involved with contemplating death." I won't pretend that I know what a moose thinks but Socrates was always contemplating death and his thoughts are well worth reading. "For those demigods that died at Troy would, according to your reasoning, be vile characters, as well others as the son of Thetis, who so much despised the danger of death when compared with disgraceful conduct, that when his mother, who was a goddess, on his desiring to kill Hector, thus I think addressed him - My son, if you revenge the slaughter of your friend Patroclus, and kill Hector, you will yourself die, for said she, death awaits you as soon as Hector expires: - Notwithstanding this, he considered the danger of death as a trifle, and much more dreaded living basely, and not revenging his friends. For he says, May I immediately die, when I have inflicted just punishment on him who has acted unjustly, and not stay here an object of ridicule, by the crooked ships, and a burden to the ground? Do you think that he was solicitous about death and danger? For this, O Athenians, is in reality the case: wherever any one ranks himself, thinking it to be the best for him, or wherever he is ranked by the ruler, there as it appears to me he ought to abide, and encounter danger, neither paying attention to death nor to any thing else before that which is base."prometheustrust.co.uk