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Politics : Just the Facts, Ma'am: A Compendium of Liberal Fiction -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Alan Smithee who wrote (22679)	12/11/2004 1:39:28 PM
From: Alan Smithee	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 90947

Gem No. II. She's prolific. Yes, the people who came to America were totally evil! They brought Africans here and enslaved them, and slaughtered most of the Indians as well. My family was here by the first decade of the 1600s, and owned plantations in Maryland. When I started to do my genealogy I discovered that Jefferson Davis's family were our in laws. Some of my ancestors left journals about killing Indians. Imagine my surprise! "In your mind would the world be a better place in 2004 if the population of the Americas still consisted of nomadic tribes wandering the landscape?" Yes, of course. I think the story of America and its affect on the rest of the world has been less than positive in many aspects. Incidentally there were many kinds of Indian tribes with complex civilizations. Not all were nomads (which I assume you are meaning as an insult). The first wave of Irish people came here to escape the Potato Famine in the late 1840's, and helped build the transcontinental railroad. I have more compassion for people who immigrate trying to find something to eat than some of the religious refugees. I wish fewer really religious people had come to America, because I think we are still living with the after-effects. Message 20848246

To: Alan Smithee who wrote (22679)	12/11/2004 9:10:57 PM
From: sandintoes	Respond to of 90947

Does she realize people are abandoning those countries because of "Islamic revenge"? They once had a "tight-knit Christian society," but the great experiment brought death and ruination to their country..can the liberals learn anything from this. Dutch desert their changing country By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in The Hague (Filed: 11/12/2004) An exodus of native-born Dutch in search of a new life abroad has reversed immigration flows for the first time since the post-war era. Last year more people left the Netherlands than arrived as migrants or asylum seekers, even though unemployment remains low at 4.7 percent and per capita income is higher than any major country in Europe. Ellen and Peter Bles are planning to leave their home near Tilburg for Perth, Western Australia Lawyers, accountants, computer specialist, nurses, and businessmen are lining up for visas to the English-speaking world, looking to Australia, New Zealand and Canada as orderly societies where people have the space to breathe. The new wave of "middle-class flight" has quickened this year following rising ethnic violence and crime committed by and against immigrants, and in response to fears that social order is breaking down. In the first six months there was a net outflow of 13,313 people. They are disengaging from a multicultural experiment once hailed as the model for the world but now stretched to breaking point. They are also escaping traffic jams and chronic over-crowding. Requests for visa information have exploded since the murder of Theo van Gogh, a Dutch film-maker and acerbic critic of Muslim views on women. An all-party report by the Dutch parliament this year concluded that the country's immigration policy had been a failure, leading to sink schools and ethnic ghettoes. The Netherlands has been transformed in barely 30 years from a tight-knit Christian society into a polyethnic state, with three million people of immigrant background. 3 November 2004: Film-maker killed in Islamic revenge 4 June 2004: Dutch want return of powers from Brussels 7 May 2002: Lone gunman kills Dutch far-Right leader news.telegraph.co.uk