To: Oeconomicus who wrote (91112 ) 12/11/2004 2:53:08 PM From: epicure Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 108807 Gosh- after what you got out of my post, I'm not interested in posting to you. People who totally make things up, and then argue about what they made up, as if it were attributable to someone else, bore me. (the technical term is STRAW MAN) And that applies equally strongly to the other guy who can't read. We have enough disagreements on these boards, without making things up just so we can fight about them. Obviously that is attractive to some, but not to me. Have a nice life. See number 3- and substitute "make up an imaginary position" for misrepresent The straw-man rhetorical technique (sometimes called straw person) is the practice of refuting weaker arguments than one's opponents actually offer. It is not a logical fallacy to disprove a weak argument. Rather, this fallacy lies in declaring one argument's conclusion to be wrong because of flaws in another argument. One can set up a straw man in several different ways: 1.Present only a portion of the opponent's arguments (often a weak one), refute it, and pretend that all of their arguments have been refuted. 2.Present the opponent's argument in weakened form, refute it, and pretend that the original has been refuted. 3.Present a misrepresentation of the opponent's position, refute it, and pretend that the opponent's actual position has been refuted. 4.Present someone who defends a position poorly as the defender, refute their arguments, and pretend that every argument for that position has been refuted. 5.Invent a fictitious persona with actions or beliefs that are criticised, and pretend that that person represents a group that the speaker is critical of.