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To: TimF who wrote (66189)	12/12/2004 3:08:07 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 71178

<I think logic and math is more discovered by humans then invented by them.> Sure, and I think I included the observer [the discoverer] as a usually-ignored fundamental force of the universe. If gravity worked on an inverse cube law, etc, then we enter the realm of non-logic because it doesn't. What is logical is defined by the forces and they are what they are and do what they do. The observer observes them and the Goedelian self-referential circle is closed. There is no externality. Not without the realm of the four forces of the apocalypse and their rider anyway. The rider being consciousness. Constructing an alternative reality "If gravity went backwards and light went faster and the Planck length physlink.com was shorter" is playing with words, not logic. We can "reason" verbally like that, but it isn't logical unless it fits with reality. Reality is the arbiter of logic, not a nice turn of phrase and an apparently logical train of thought, even if we all agree with it like a bunch of lemmings. Mqurice