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Politics : WAR on Terror. Will it engulf the Entire Middle East? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (8309)12/12/2004 11:56:56 PM
From: Eashoa' M'sheekha  Respond to of 32591
 
" Arafat always regarded PA funds as his personal money. "..

Well that's where our perceptions and the semantics used to describe " Arafat's Billions " tend to take on different meaning(s).

Of all of these stories, with countless more available, not one of them, even from the most partisan of perspectives, come right out and say he had stolen the money or was using it for his personal regard,excluding his wife,of course.<gg>

Instead,it has been considered that his spending and accounting were haphazard,but yet with the interest of the P.A in mind.....with a few million thrown out here and there to keep the natives happy.

Reminds me of very early day societies where taxes were collected and spent with very little accountability.

>>>That would be a reference to the installation, at US insistence, of a reformist PA Finance Minister, whom Arafat effectively sidelined in favor of his personal advisors.<<<

That's not quite correct Nadine.Finance Minister Salam Fayyad was appointed by Arafat,at the insistence of the US and other interested parties.He remains there to this day.

mof.gov.ps

>>Israel always estimated Arafat's secret accounts at $3 to $4 billion. The PA is not reclaiming a very big cut.<<

Indeed.

The numbers I have seen range from 300 Mil. to 10 Billion, but the story gets curiouser and curiouser as the cockroaches come out of the woodwork,from some corners of the room that might just surprise us all.

And so it goes, but the idea that he was stealing or hiding money for his personal use is yet to be proven....


Lots of info out there though.

Well see as time goes on here.

E'M'



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (8309)12/12/2004 11:58:45 PM
From: Eashoa' M'sheekha  Respond to of 32591
 
P.S. Sad To Hear Of This Latest Bombing Today.(eom)



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (8309)12/14/2004 2:36:59 AM
From: Haim R. Branisteanu  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 32591
 
PA refuses to condemn tunnel attack
By KHALED ABU TOAMEH

Palestinian Authority and Fatah officials have refused to condemn Sunday's tunnel attack near Rafah, saying it was a "legitimate operation" against a military target.

However, some officials in Ramallah admitted that the attack is a serious blow to PLO chairman Mahmoud Abbas's efforts to achieve calm, at least in the period preceding the January 9 election for the chairmanship of the PA.

The PA has in the past condemned suicide bombings through terse statements calling for an end to attacks "on all civilians, whether they are Palestinians or Israelis." Such condemnations, nevertheless, don't apply to cases where IDF soldiers or settlers are targeted.

The PA-controlled media on Monday hailed the perpetrators as "martyrs" and described the attack as a "martyrdom operation against Israeli occupation forces."

Abbas and PA Prime Minister Ahmed Qurei, who are currently visiting a number of Gulf countries, avoided making any statements on the Rafah attack, which was carried out by a joint Hamas-Fatah cell.

The two, who are opposed to the "militarization" of the intifada, have been trying over the past few weeks to convince Hamas and other opposition groups to accept a hudna (temporary cease-fire) with Israel. But Hamas leaders in the Gaza strip and Syria have refused to comply, insisting that the "resistance" will continue until Israel halts its military operations and pulls back to the 1967 borders.

"It's very difficult for Abu Mazen (Abbas) to condemn an operation like the one in Rafah because it was directed against Israeli soldiers," a senior PA official told The Jerusalem Post. "Most Palestinians support such attacks because they see them as a natural response to Israel's ongoing aggression."

The official noted that Abbas had come under attack for calling for an end to Palestinian terror attacks at the June 4, 2003 Akaba summit in Jordan.

In his speech at the summit, Abbas said: "There will be no military solution for this conflict, so we repeat our renunciation and the renunciation of terrorism against the Israelis wherever they might be. Such methods are inconsistent with our religious and moral traditions and are a dangerous obstacle to the achievement of an independent sovereign state we seek. These methods also conflict with the kinds of state we wish to build based on human rights and the rule of law."

His remarks drew sharp criticism from many Palestinians, including members of his Fatah faction, who accused him of succumbing to Israeli and American pressure to draw a link between the intifada and terrorism.

"Abu Mazen does not want to repeat the same mistake he made at the Akaba summit, especially not when he's running in the elections," explained a Fatah official. "He knows that if he will pay a heavy price in the presidential election if he condemns attacks on Israeli soldiers and settlers."

Other Fatah officials said the Rafah attack was clearly designed to embarrass Abbas. The involvement of a Fatah-linked group in the attack was even more embarrassing for Abbas and the new Palestinian leadership, they pointed out.

One official said he did not rule out the possibility that Iran, Hizbullah or Damascus-based radical Palestinian groups were behind the attack.



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (8309)12/14/2004 11:02:34 PM
From: Scoobah  Respond to of 32591
 
Well, inst this an interesting post Arafat reality?

Leading Hamas preacher warns of clash with Islamic Jihad

By Arnon Regular, Haaretz Correspondent



A growing rift between Hamas and Islamic Jihad has led to a break in cooperation between the two groups, and is threatening to lead to an all-out clash between them, according to a leading Hamas preacher who recently slammed Jihad for trying to outmuscle Hamas.




"There was a time when there were more Islamic Jihadists than us, but now we are more than them, but nonetheless they have managed to take over the media and to get ahead of us, and are now intensively competing with us," said Fathi Hamad, a member of the Sura Council, the supreme Hamas religious body in Gaza responsible for the the organization's communications system in Gaza.

"An Islamic Jihad takeover would means the Shi'ites take over, and if that happens you will all be turned into heretics .... We must fight and clash with all those who are not Sunni and guarantee our faith remains pure."

Hamad have his speech a couple of months ago before a few dozen Hamas activists working in the organization's Communications Councils, whose job is to promote Hamas in the Palestinian, Arab and international press.

Hamad believed that he was speaking in a private closed forum, but the session was filmed and then distributed - a copy of which was obtained by Haaretz - sparking a dispute between the two groups. They have now cut off ties between them and have ceased cooperation, and the clash between the two Islamic fundamentalist groups is shaking up both organizations.

For years they worked side by side, more or less in harmony. During the intifada they even began cooperating militarily and claimed joint responsibility for many attacks in Gaza. But Hamad is now hinting that Islamic Jihad wants to take Hamas' place, and is citing Iraq as an example.

"Wherever Jihad fighters fought, Muslims, meaning Sunni Muslims like Hamas showed up, and then the hypocritical Sh'iites came and sat down on the chairs that became available. This is an American, Zionist, Arab Shiite plot," he said.

Hamad was saying that Islamic Jihad is financed and run by Hezbollah and Iran, the Shiite heretics according to Sunni Islam. He said the Islamic Jihad has no right to operate in the Palestinian street on ideological grounds, and pointed out that despite the Hamas' hegemony in the street, the Jihad had managed to take over "the agenda" and the media by putting its people in key jobs in the press. He called for a "media jihad," meaning getting into important Arab and Palestinian media outlets.

Hamad's talk forced an apology from senior Hamas activists to the Arab press working in Gaza, whom Hamad had accused of serving the Jihad and the Palestinian Authority.

Hamad's speech on tape opens a rare window into the balance of power inside the Gaza Strip, including Hamas relations with the PA and how it motivates its activists in the street. But more than anything, the tape shows how frustrated Hamas is that despite being by far a larger organization than Islamic Jihad, in the press, at least, they are presented as equally important.

Hamad opened his lecture with "the media is the decisive weapon," and then delivered a series of examples from the life of Mohammed the Prophet and how his sermons to his warriors determined battles. But the Hamad speech quickly turned to the subject of the Islamic Jihad.

"We outnumber them, we have many more mosques, and much more commitment, but they are ahead of us in the satellite TV stations, and their Web sites are much bigger than the group itself. They are stealing attacks from Hamas, exaggerate the number of their killed, and inflate the numbers of their street demonstrations as if they are a domestic group, even though they are supported by Hezbollah. The media has turned them into the equals of the Muslim Brotherhood," Hamad complains in the tape.

He labels specific Palestinian reporters working in Gaza, saying an Al Jazeera correspondent in Gaza, Wa'al Dahduah, is a Jihad supporter, as is Imad Eid, the Hezbollah TV correspondent in Gaza. Hamad said that Walid Alomri, the senior Al Jazeera correspondent in the territories, is a Fatah man "with a burning hatred for Hamas, and he reports tendentiously in favor of the PA."

Hamad says on tape that Hamas man Faiz Abu Smala works for the BBC, "and that way he writes the story in favor of the Islam and Muslims."

Beyond the issue of the media, there is an ideological abyss between Hamas and Islamic Jihad. While Hamas, an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood, believes in social activity to educate society and create an Islamic rule, the Islamic Jihad has always believed in a violent campaign to take over power centers, and its social activities were marginal. But in the last year the Islamic Jihad changed direction and began undertaking social activities in Gaza.

Three months ago, armed Islamic Jihad men took over Al Qassam mosque, a Hamas stronghold, by force, and the takeover led to armed clashes between men from both groups. Thus, Hamad complains in the tape, "the Islamic Jihad ignited our spirit of resistance when it took away our mosque, and there is a danger they will try to take over others."