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To: Ilaine who wrote (90341)	12/12/2004 6:03:51 PM
From: Lane3	Respond to of 793725

Maybe they are displacing their resentment for being laughed at and marginalized for believing in fundamentalist creationism into feeling like they are being laughed at and marginalized for being Christians. If you believe that only fundamentalist Christians are "real" Christians and the rest are Christians in name only, then that naturally follows.

To: Ilaine who wrote (90341)	12/12/2004 10:23:32 PM
From: Joe Btfsplk	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793725

...factoid...is that 65% of Americans believe that the earth and everything on it was created exactly as we see it today something like 6000 years ago... I've read that too, and am VERY dubious. My family and acquaintances over the years include a number of deeply committed Christians, including hand-waving evangelicals. I believe that attitude is rare. Could it be a "fact" concocted to prove the intellectual superiority of a certain group?

To: Ilaine who wrote (90341)	12/14/2004 3:22:44 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793725

I have a very hard time wrapping my mind around the concept that Christians are persecuted in America Persecuted would be far too strong of word. Not only are they not persecuted there are very few people who would support such persecution. It wouldn't only be a minority that would support it but an insignificant minority that has neither numbers nor political power nor positions of influence. While persecution of Christians really doesn't exist, and there is not good reason to fear it that I can find there is a movement to marginalize Christianity. No, even marginalize is too strong of term. Perhaps "partially marginalize", or "marginalize in certain areas". Its not just fundamentalist and believers in creationism who are affected by this movement. No one advocates putting them in literal ghettos or putting people in jail for expressing religious ideas, but there is a movement to completely eliminate religious expression from anything connected to the government, and even to declare religiously motivated political ideas as not just wrong (and thus something you would fight against as part of the political process) but out of bounds from the beginning (and thus something that would be excluded from the political process). Edit - In my mind, it's like white males feeling persecuted by minority setasides and other preferences. Feeling resentment, that I can understand, but feeling actual persecution, that I don't understand. It's way over the top, bordering on paranoia. Persecution is probably too strong of word in this context as well, but resentment is not unreasonable, and feeling that they have been treated unjustly doesn't strike me as either inaccurate or unreasonable. Tim