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To: ravenseye who wrote (660)12/14/2004 12:09:03 AM
From: Louie_al-Arouri  Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 5425
 
Ravenseye, like Tony always said, everything is for the "eyeballs". Tony stressed that nothing you see or read on these boards is based in reality. Right now, during his trial, Tony's faction are playing to the FBI "eyeballs".
Pugs brings in the "eyeballs". Look at the action on this board since he is claimed to be posting here.
The webfraud3 and other posters here have ties to Operation Uptick racketeers and Allen Wolfson's Hudson Consulting Group via other on-line stock promotions.
I've used some as examples including TEVT SEC filings. I could go much further, but won't. The point is, the webfraud3 speculation, defamation & libel are for the new EYEBALLS. If they can keep the board cluttered with their garbage, no talk of Elgindy, his trial and ties to terrorism can continue.



To: ravenseye who wrote (660)12/14/2004 1:32:44 AM
From: Louie_al-Arouri  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 5425
 
Back on topic; Muslim Brothers to the rescue...

In 1998, before his petitioning of the US government to unfreeze the assets of the Holy Land Foundation, a front for financing terrorism, Khaled Elgindy was calling to lift sanctions in Iraq with another front relief org called International Relief Association.

International Relief Association is aka the International Islamic Relief Organization.

"Sanctions are not the clean alternative to war that we thought they were," said Khalid Elgindy, who delivered humanitarian aid to Iraqis in May with a U.S. group called the International Relief Association.

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sane-boston.org

Islamic group funded terror from Ontario: CIA Saudi aid organization

Stewart Bell

National Post, Friday, August 22, 2003

A U.S. intelligence report claims a Saudi humanitarian organization that operates in Canada has funded "militant training camps," shipped weapons to Afghanistan and had ties to Osama bin Laden.



The International Islamic Relief Organization (IIRO) is named in the 1996 document as one of 15 organizations that "employ members or otherwise facilitate the activities of terrorist groups in Bosnia."

The document ties the group, which has an office in Ontario, to the Palestinian terrorist organization Hamas, a man convicted in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and plots to kill the Pope and attack U.S. airliners
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"The majority of Hamas members in the Philippines are employed by the organization," it says, adding, "the IIRO helps fund six militant training camps in Afghanistan, according to a clandestine source."

The report also claims the Bosnian and Swedish offices of the Ottawa-based charity Human Concern International were connected to terrorism and weapons smuggling, but a spokesman said the group never had offices in either country.

The report was obtained from the law firm Motley Rice, which has filed a class-action suit on behalf of family members of those killed in the Sept. 11 attacks. The suit targets dozens of Islamic charities and Saudi officials for their alleged roles in financing al-Qaeda.

The document was identified as a "CIA report" by special agent David Kane, an official in the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, in a court affidavit made public this week in Virginia.

Special Agent Kane cited Canadian immigration documents as evidence the IIRO also operates under the name Muslim World League (MWL), which is a government-registered charity in Canada.

The allegations against the IIRO and MWL, are controversial because both groups are funded by the Saudi government, which denies it financially supports armed Islamic extremist factions.

The CIA report cited by Special Agent Kane claims about one-third of the 50 international Islamic non-profit organizations were supporting terrorism or employing terrorist suspects. While Muslim charities help the needy, they were also fostering violence, it said.

"Where Muslims are engaged in armed conflict, some Islamic organizations provide military aid as part of a 'humanitarian' package," it says. The governments of Muslim states support the major charities but are unable to monitor how the money is spent, it added.

The document shows that at least five years before the Sept. 11 attacks Western intelligence officials were aware Islamic charities were funnelling money to terrorist causes.

At the time, Yugoslavia was the focus of radical Islamic organizations because of the war between Serbs and Bosnian Muslims.

"We have information that nearly one third of the Islamic NGOs (non-governmental organizations) in the Balkans have facilitated the activities of Islamic groups that engage in terrorism, including the Egyptian Al-Gamaat Al Islamiyya, Palestinian Hamas, Algerian groups and Lebanese Hezbollah," the report says. "Some of the terrorist groups have access to credentials for the UN High Commission for Refugees and other UN staffs in the former Yugoslavia."

The report claims the head of the Muslim World League branch in Peshawar, Pakistan, "was illicitly supplying League documentation and arms to militants in Afghanistan and Tajikistan."

The Muslim World League is based in Etobicoke. Its Internet site says it is the Canadian branch of an international Islamic organization headquartered in Mecca, Saudi Arabia. Among its stated aims are promoting Islam, distributing the Koran, introducing Islam to Canadians and helping the Imams who deliver Friday sermons at Canadian mosques.

Several suspected Islamic terrorists arrested in Canada have been former employees of the IIRO, including Mahmoud Jaballah, a Toronto man who is a member of the Egyptian group Al Jihad.


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July 21, 1998, Tuesday, Final Edition

Iraq sanctions questioned;
33 House Democrats urge lifting postwar economic barriers

Jason Keyser; THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Thirty-three House Democrats and a lone Republican urged President Clinton yesterday to lift 8-year-old economic sanctions against Iraq that were imposed after its invasion of Kuwait.

"This is the beginning of a broad questioning of the viability of sanctions regimes," said Phyllis Bennis, a policy expert at the Institute for Policy Studies, a Washington policy group.

She joined other policy experts at a briefing for reporters and congressional staff on Capitol Hill hosted by the Arab-American Institute.

The House members, including Rep. Tom Campbell, California Republican, sent a letter to President Clinton yesterday calling on the administration to "re-examine the intended goals and the actual effects of these sanctions."

"Congressman Campbell feels we need to take a step back and re-examine the sanctions regime," said Suhail Khan, spokesman for Mr. Campbell, the only Republican to join with the Democrats. "Mr. [Saddam] Hussein is using the economic sanctions as an excuse not to feed those who are suffering," he said.

The United Nations imposed the sanctions after the Aug. 2, 1990, invasion and they cannot be lifted until U.N. weapons inspectors declare Iraq free of weapons of mass destruction.

Iraq is permitted to sell $5 billion worth of oil every six months. But the sanctions have prevented Iraq from importing the materials necessary to rebuild the oil infrastructure that was destroyed in the 1991 bombing of Iraq, humanitarian workers have argued.

Iraq says about 1.5 million children have died in the past seven years from disease and malnutrition directly attributed to the sanctions.

"Sanctions are not the clean alternative to war that we thought they were," said Khalid Elgindy, who delivered humanitarian aid to Iraqis in May with a U.S. group called the International Relief Association.

"More people have died as a result of the sanctions in the last eight years than died during the allied bombing in 1991," he told reporters. He said 1 million people had died since the sanctions were imposed.

The United States opposes ending the sanctions.

The power to lift the sanctions lies solely with Iraq, P.J. Crowley, a National Security Council spokesman, said in a telephone interview.

"We've carefully sponsored a sanctions regime intended to aid the Iraqi people without aiding Hussein," he said.

Congress is beginning to rethink the effectiveness of sanctions, which have become a U.S. foreign policy tool. Sanctions automatically leveled against India and Pakistan because of their nuclear tests in May have forced Congress to re-examine the wisdom of using them.

Congress overwhelmingly voted last week to waive the sanctions to allow Mr. Clinton other diplomatic options.

Also, Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott of Mississippi has formed a committee to review sanctions legislation and congressional approach to foreign policy.

The letter from the 34 members of Congress, the latest congressional attack on sanctions, led by Rep. John Conyers Jr., Michigan Democrat, calls on the administration to "de-link economic sanctions on Iraq, which have been a political and humanitarian failure, from military sanctions."


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danielpipes.org

That List of Islamist Organizations under U.S. Senate Scrutiny. The Senate Committee on Finance today released a letter its chairman and ranking member, Chuck Grassley and Max Baucus, had sent on Dec. 22, 2003, to the Internal Revenue Service. In it, they asked for a long list of specifics ("Form 990s and Form 990 PFs, including the donors list for both types; Form 1023s, the charities' applications for tax exempt status, and any and all materials from examinations, audits and other investigations, including criminal investigations") about charities, foundations and tax-exempt organizations, groups or entities that have been designated or listed by the Treasury Department's Office of Foreign Assets Control since September 11, 2001. It is worth noting this list of twenty-five, for it offers an authoritative guide to U.S. Islamist groups which, in the senators' words, "finance terrorism and perpetuate violence" (I have rearranged their order to make it alphabetical):

International Islamic Relief Organization (IIRO) or Internal Relief Organization

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So we see Khaled aligned with the International Relief Association as early as 1998. Tony declared on SI being an agent of MTHO, also at a time when Yugoslavia was the focus of radical Islamic organizations because of the war between Serbs and Bosnian Muslims. Dots, dots, dots....



To: ravenseye who wrote (660)12/14/2004 1:48:59 AM
From: Bill Ulrich  Respond to of 5425
 
Well, as I said before, I thought the bannings as a whole were not a good idea and I even PMed apmoderator saying so. My PM was before your banning. Not my call whether your specific banning was a hasty, bad decision or not. There also is a possibility that apmoderator is just doing a job as instructed externally, and the decisions may not be wholly that of the person whose finger is on the button.

That's just me, being proactive and direct and going to the source. You could do the same, not only with apmoderator, but with dave evans, as well.



To: ravenseye who wrote (660)12/14/2004 2:10:17 AM
From: Bill Ulrich  Respond to of 5425
 
I agree with that... "If there has been no wrong doing, then there should be no fear of questions being posed in the a@p gated community."

And, as I've mentioned before (which you may not have stumbled across), I was no particular fan of Tony ever. My gut feeling is that he used the White Hat concept in a fashionable way to gain attraction. The terrorist stuff, however, I completely disagree with, and that it's continually promulgated by the Pugster makes it even more rePugnant. If Tony gets hanged for abusing FBI databases, then fine, maybe he had it coming. If innocent, then lucky for him.

The Pugs' terrorism conspiracy issue, however, is another matter. It's crap. The only person who deserves to be hanged for that is ... Pugs.



To: ravenseye who wrote (660)12/14/2004 8:15:17 AM
From: rrufff  Respond to of 5425
 
You make some interesting observations. Back in the days of the now deposed guru kings, it was common to have the guru crowd attack anyone who posted somewhere on SI in opposition to a post made by a guru. Often brown-shirted thug-like posts were made on stock related boards. IMO, this is one reason for a lack of stock-specific boards on here and probably the only reason that RB stays alive. (I'd like to see SI effectively kill RB by setting up specific stock boards for all Nasdaq and OTC equities and presenting it in an organized fashion.)

I will be the first to admit that the short gurus did some incredible work in outing scams and I learned much. My own trading and investing has changed exponentially for the better, as a result, as I learned that a good story often hides bad management. There is no substitute for hard work, which in stock trading, means extensive DD. There is no easy way, no legitimate short cut to success.

However, there were questions raised at times about seeming coincidences in how fast information in posts would get to certain members of the legitimate media. Others wondered about whether trading on information before it was distributed to the public by someone possibly associated with the trader, might have constituted manipulative behavior.

Other questions were raised about timing of informational "discoveries" and possible front running by some who accused real scamsters of the same behavior. The large number of followers, it was claimed, created a fertile base of investors who could follow the guru, with obvious possibilities of abuse.

IMO, the gurus who find themselves in hot water now should have stuck with their great stock picks and been happy with their reputations intact as crusaders and great stock detectives. If they had continued to do the hard work and done what they started doing, they would still be here posting and doing well. It's when they wished to be larger than life, when they wished to be successful "the easy way," that the inevitable human failings came into play. Being in the public eye, with bling bling, with fleets of luxury cars made for an image that was further fostered by messages that kept in awe a following on the boards. Anyone who posted something minimally in opposition would find him or herself the subject of an attack. As other posters have commented, bullying posts were somewhat the rule, rubbing it in when someone else faltered, when someone else had problems, when someone else's stock pick was proven to be a very bad one. It is ironic now what has happened and how many gurus and wanna bees find themselves humbled.

Dale Baker, someone with whom I often disagree, but who is one of the most objective and honorable posters on here, was subjected to this brownfingered abuse for no good reason, and he was not the only one targeted. The key here is that you can disagree without being disagreeable, without bullying tactics and without stomping on others, and certainly not by adopting tactics of scamsters. Things are much improved on SI than in those days. It's a better and growing community.

The bullyragging by the a@p gated community stomping on certain posters seems to be endless and most likely to divert from the too hot to touch subject matter. I understand about a board skirmish here and there but it seems to be a wave of attacks. The quote of attack the message not the messenger doesn't apply as it should.



To: ravenseye who wrote (660)12/14/2004 12:18:40 PM
From: Jeffrey S. Mitchell  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 5425
 
found a question of "Same Evans?" was too hot for the a@p community to touch

I've been seeing much discussion from you about this but am at a loss to see why you think an affirmative answer to this question is of any importance (no, I don't know the answer). One more thing I've been reading: are you the one posting on Yahoo that has been mentioning the Truthseeker? TIA.

- Jeff



To: ravenseye who wrote (660)12/14/2004 1:12:59 PM
From: Jeffrey S. Mitchell  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 5425
 
Since rrufff is looking over our shoulder, instead of speculating whether or not you are M5 or Steve Sayre, I figure it's easier to just ask you. Are you? At the very least, are you familiar with the guy? TIA.

- Jeff



To: ravenseye who wrote (660)12/14/2004 6:02:47 PM
From: Janice Shell  Respond to of 5425
 
Definitely. It'd be a pretty dull flick without 'em.

If there is ever a movie made about the trial, do you think there will be black helicopters in it?