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To: cnyndwllr who wrote (153951)	12/14/2004 1:55:05 PM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

"When you're not busy attacking those who disagrees with you, you often make good sense." before i read your reply i wanted to take a shot at you. In answer to your quote, i plead guilty at times. This is highly emotionally charged stuff, especially to those who come from our f....d up generation. And i would add that you are as guilty as i am at times. There are reasonable guys that you disagree with that you have attacked, no???

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (153951)	12/14/2004 2:05:36 PM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

There is too much in your post for me to consider right now---am working. Some of the opponents of the war on this thread are patriots, some not. When i talk of democracy i am not talking greek-majority rule variety without protections and without clerics involved. Maybe i shouldnt use the term--lets say a fledgling govt that uses democratic means and offers some protections against extremism. Thats not a bad goal. What would you call afganistan today? There are worse outcomes than that and please lets not talk about poppys--i will give karzai his two years to address that. I have a question and this goes to neocon ideology. If the force assembled to topple saddam was large enough to restart the country and secure borders before an insurgency broke out, would the war still be wrong. At that point there were a couple of thousand iraqi dead and under american dead. I may be dead wrong about this but i think that if rummy/cheney had followed powell/gulf war lessons rather than war on the cheap, the cost would have been a small price to pay for removal of saddam and creation of a free fledglinng somewhat democratic/islamic/federated iraq. I place the blame for this mess at the feet of cheney/rummy operations and not at the ideology itself. We will never know. I suspect you disagree.