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Politics : Bush-The Mastermind behind 9/11? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: sea_urchin who wrote (9294)	12/15/2004 3:44:30 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20039

Re: I can't speak for others but... You can speak for me. I could hire you as my ghost writer!! I totally agree with that post of yours. Gus

To: sea_urchin who wrote (9294)	12/15/2004 3:51:32 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20039

Re: The world has changed and I must change with it. Indeed... Democracy reels in agony. We have surreptitiously entered a new Dark Age... Forget about the "clash of civilizations" --we're adrift in a clash of barbarisms.... Gus Gilbert Achcar Interviewed by David Barsamian Gilbert Achcar lived in Lebanon for many years before moving to France where he teaches politics and international relations at the University of Paris. He's a frequent contributor to Le Monde Diplomatique and is the author of several books on contemporary politics. His latest book, published by Monthly Review Press, is The Clash of Barbarisms: September 11 and the Making of the New World Disorder. D.B.: The title of your book is interesting because there is a well-known book published by Harvard University Professor Samuel Huntington entitled The Clash of Civilizations. What do you mean by “the clash of barbarisms?” A.C.: I mean that in a certain sense civilizations could not clash. The process of civilization is described as a historical process of pacification of human relations, overcoming aggressiveness and the rule of law. And what we are seeing in this kind of clash is not, therefore, a clash of civilizations or features of civilizations clashing, but a clash of those kinds of barbaric potentials that every civilization include, whether Islamic or Western. These are barbarian forms which are potentially included in every kind of civilization and which can take over in periods of crisis or some specific historical periods. [...] monthlyreview.org

To: sea_urchin who wrote (9294)	12/15/2004 4:04:55 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20039

Follow-up.... December 2004 Empire of Barbarism by John Bellamy Foster and Brett Clark This is a revised version of a paper written for a conference on “Civilization or Barbarism: Challenges and Problems of the Contemporary World,” Serpa and Moura, Portugal, September 24, 2004. “A new age of barbarism is upon us.” These were the opening words of an editorial in the September 20, 2004, issue of Business Week clearly designed to stoke the flames of anti-terrorist hysteria. Pointing to the murder of schoolchildren in Russia, women and children killed on buses in Israel, the beheading of American, Turkish, and Nepalese workers in Iraq, and the killing of hundreds on a Spanish commuter train and hundreds more in Bali, Business Week declared: “America, Europe, Israel, Egypt, Pakistan, and governments everywhere are under attack by Islamic extremists. These terrorists have but one demand—the destruction of modern secular society.” Western civilization was portrayed as standing in opposition to the barbarians, who desire to destroy what is assumed to be the pinnacle of social evolution. Altogether absent from this establishment view is the predatory role played by U.S. and European imperialism. It is true that we are living in a “new age of barbarism.” However this has its roots not in religious fundamentalism but in what Marx saw as the barbarism accompanying bourgeois civilization and what Rosa Luxemburg once called “the ruins of imperialistic barbarism.” We need to look at global capitalism and beyond that at what the United States and Britain are doing in Iraq, the principal zone of imperialist conflict at present, if we are to plumb the full depths of the barbarism that characterizes our time. [...] monthlyreview.org