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To: Yahoot who wrote (767)	12/16/2004 12:16:40 AM
From: rrufff	Respond to of 5425

Great research - You seem to have some interesting connections there. To be fair, perhaps you may want to post it on the main thread and give them a chance to respond. Welcome to SI.

To: Yahoot who wrote (767)	12/16/2004 12:42:38 AM
From: Bear Down	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 5425

very simple...... there is no secret that good shorts share their research. If you look hard enough you can find an article were George W bush's former partner, ed rose of the cardinal fund, shared his information on TERN with everyone from the SEC to reporters to anyone that would listen. I think it was in san fran chronicle. Unfortunately the government overlooked the 30+ mill in insider sales that occured shortly after the ceo recieved a cease and desist letter from cable labs. Is mr rose guilty of anything for telling the truth just because it was reported on by reporters that thought it was a goood story and double checked Rose's research to make sure it was accurate? Is he guilty of manipulation because he had a very large short position and was hoping a reporter would write about the fraud so he could cash in? When his huge loss turned to a huge gain after the conference call heard round the investing world and covered on the front page of WSJ under the headline "short sellers crash conference call using obscene names", was he then guilty of manipulation because he got the information on the streets that was used to debunk the CEO on the CC?? I remember the president of nasdaq once putting me on the line with his head listing officer so I could tell him about the 30 pages of information I was about to send him regarding a fraud stock that had just recieved a nasdaq listing (which was subsequentl revoked before ever trading on NASDAQ). If I had a position in that stock when the listing was revoked and the stock price on the BB got hammered am i guilty of anything other than being a good citizen and preventing the naz from listing a fraud? If it is the truth, it is not manipulation. If the reporter jumps on the shorts story, smart reporter if they made sure it was true. if a short checks a reporters story and jumps on board with a position I would say that may show a bit of savvy as an investor. certanly not manipulative or criminal. Good information takes hard research. Taking a position consistent with your research and then shouting so the world can hear and "tell 2 friends" or several million witha good reprorter, make a lot of sense to me. If the truth hurts you so bad (like it did with HITT, MLRE ECNC and countless others) then TOUGH SHIT !!! If you answered yes to any of these questions you shouldn't work for the government but you should join the puggles fan club with special guest, pyschic cop, Riley G. Again, just my opinion which is obviously meaningless.

To: Yahoot who wrote (767)	12/16/2004 1:02:48 AM
From: Bill Ulrich	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 5425

I'm having some trouble finding a conspiracy here. Many people had been doing DD on HITT well before the Evans article. Simple to screen for companies with no revenues and a billion dollar market cap. That's a good starter red flag. Examine the CEO and see he's been sued by Federal agencies for fraudulent activities in the past. Another flag. re: "They never warn people untill after the stock has run up and it has crossed my mind that these same people may have been long on these stocks, sold, and gone short." LoL! If I had a nickel for time I heard that ... a. It wouldn't matter if they were long first. b. The "group list" you posted are pretty savvy investors, who wouldn't likely ever find themselves long on a company of such credentials.

To: Yahoot who wrote (767)	12/16/2004 1:49:32 AM
From: Bill Ulrich	Respond to of 5425

BTW, how did you happen to single out HITT after "reading this board and the A@P board for several weeks". HITT's never been discussed here. Hasn't been discussed on A@P regular thread for a year and a half (some 4000 posts ago) save for one slight mention-in-passing I made last week where I said, "Tony had little, if any, interest in AZNT. There wasn't much return potential for new shorts compared to, say, HITT, which he certainly jumped on." You would have had to go through 6000+ posts on the HITT board to find all that, as this account you created today doesn't have adv srch capability. I should compliment you on your speed reading abilities.

To: Yahoot who wrote (767)	12/16/2004 2:05:41 AM
From: EL KABONG!!!	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 5425

Hi Yahoot, HITT? Oh boy! What a great walk down memory lane... Those were the days. There's nothing quite like nostalgia, eh? I actually miss that particular thread. Remember Bill the Barndweller? How about all the teamwork that went into uncovering what the Life Foundation Trust was really all about? Anyone remember the myriad conversations with the SEC investigator/lawyer on this one? How about all of the lawsuits that Jeanette was involved with? They even had a flight simulator at one time, and ran with the wealthy Arabian horsie set. And someplace in California owned by a Saudi prince... Hmmm... I wonder... Nahh!!! Anyway, thanks for the memories... EK!!! EDIT - Why can't I line up the sevens when I'm in Vegas??? <g> Grub...

To: Yahoot who wrote (767)	12/16/2004 9:57:58 AM
From: Mark_H	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 5425

....I actually enjoyed spending the time Since you enjoyed that so much, try this one: The alleged high-ranking Hamas leaders named in the indictment as co-conspirators are: Khalid Mish’al, Abdel Aziz Al-Rantisi (deceased), Imad Al-Alami, Mohammed Qassem Sawalha, Adel Ahmed Awadallah (deceased), Salah Al-Arouri, Sheik Jamil Hamami, Hassan Salameh, Yihye Ayash, and Ismael Selim Elbarasse. usdoj.gov Have you noticed that there is a poster on this board that goes by the name "al-arouri"? When you find the connection, we'll compare "notes".

To: Yahoot who wrote (767)	12/16/2004 1:52:03 PM
From: surelock	Respond to of 5425

You have way too much time on your hands.

To: Yahoot who wrote (767)	1/19/2005 9:46:47 PM
From: olivier asser	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 5425

One thing about Net scams, they always leave a trail. So, I'm not alone in this kind of SI detective work. Yep, they'd get together and pound the stocks down. Huge group and if you were long the personal attacks came fast and furious. One things no one says about AP: he claims he was doing good for the public by outing scams, but he didn't give holders of the companies any time to bail, steep and rapid declines were his aim; I hardly see how's that's helping the hapless investors. There was this guy at TP, he must have been short I don't know how many shares, he was intimate with Rea, an Algerian called "benat," who every day would appear and post "GOTO Hell." He was short NASDAQ-GOTO. His chants didn't have the effect AP's did, because he didn't have the group bangin' the bongo drums alongside him. AP was a very good short, no doubt about that in my mind at all; what's a shame is that it appears he seriously crossed the line into insider trading. Rea once was also a great analyst, made very good calls in the beginning at TP; then he sold us out to Berber and Moor. Greed. It's just not enough for some people, even making $250,000+ a month like Chris Rea was in subscriber fees. But commissions, now there's the motherlode. For example, imagine 200 traders each trading 10 picks roundtrip per day. That's 4,000 tickets x $25 = $100,000. Now Berber rewards Rea for making dozens of calls inducing all these trades regardless of their profitability by kicking back 1/3 of all these commissions he would never have reaped any other way to an IA like Rea and you see how it adds up, how the member fees, still huge, are dwarfed, and the interests of paying TP members are tossed overboard. By the way, some said here personal responsibility, an interesting concept, except we paid Rea and TP for investment advice, to trade his calls. Therefore, he, and anyone with a hand in the recs e.g. by destroying their objectivity through the commission kickback incentive, was responsible for the losses incurred. I learned along the way the Supreme Court discussed this kind of RICO liability in the case entitled Reves: you become responsible and liable for the conduct of an enterprise if you exert control over it through bribery, which is exactly what the kickbacks were.