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To: Rambi who wrote (66207)12/16/2004 11:22:03 AM
From: Maurice Winn  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 71178
 
<man's cranial "hardware" was pretty much the same 10000 years ago as it is now, and what has changed is not our actual intelligence, but our access to information, which is increasing at exponential rates. >

Rambi, that was an interesting post. I think you are up with the play. Not in the sense of leading the charge, but in the sense:

Some people make things happen.
Some watch what happens.
Some wonder what happened.

I don't accept the idea that our brains are much the same as even 100 years ago, let alone 10,000.

It's true that the actual gene pool might not have swarms of new genes which weren't in there. I doubt even that, but accept that the mutation rate forming new genes means that 10,000 years isn't a lot compared with 2,000,000 years. But the mutation rate is also a function of how many opportunities there are.

Now there are 6 billion of us. That's a LOT of mutation opportunities. 100,000 years ago, the number of humans was few. I suppose a few million. So the mutation rate was much lower for the whole gene pool. Now it's like a pressure cooker with a seething morass of genes being mutated, blended and reblended in a mating frenzy with no geographical isolation.

In the past, genes were geographically restricted with tribal warfare at the edges. Now it's one big melting pot. Okay, not completely, with places like Japan being 99% pure. But there's a lot of miscegenation.

More important than the creation of the DNA, is the blending and concentration of the good genes. The Einstein gene might have existed 100,000 years ago [or it might not], but there might have been only one person with it. They might have been given the job of stone grinder. Also, that person might have lacked a memory gene which had just been formed on the other side of the world, in a person who was taught to be a sex toy for the chief's entertainment.

The gene pool at the time would have looked much the same as now, with an identical skull size. But over the next millennia, those successful genes spread and also combined with others such as attention span, longevity and so on. The other genes would be filtered out.

As you have seen in your time on Earth, there is a lot of filtering still to be done. There is a lot of blending still to be done too.

So the process is not going slowly, it's going faster than ever. By a LOT.

But then, in the past few centuries, with the advent of writing and communications, things sped up. Not only were the genes coalescing and filtering, the software was developing as you say. But in an omigod phase, which we entered in the past 20 years and especially in the last 10 years, that communication process went berserk. As did the extra-somatic memory of umpty billion memory chips and storage methods.

We are witnessing nothing less than the construction of a monstrously huge, powerful and fast, global extra-somatic brain. AND it will THINK. Brains sense, remember and think, feed back to the surroundings and re-iterate again. They usually die and the whole difficult business has to start again. ASICs don't die. Fibre can be replaced.

We are witnessing exponential growth. What matters is the exponent. This is NOT a small exponent. [Talking dirty maths talk here to bamboozle CB] We have got a confluence of exponential effects all happening simultaneously. Population growth peaking, genetic mixing coming into its own, mutation rate at an all time record, AND technlogy getting going in a big way. Each is synergistic with the other. The effect is a monstrous tsunami of brain.

If I was superstitious, I'd say we are witnessing the second coming. It doesn't arrive on a mountain top. It arrives from the inside, magically imbibed from the outside. It is us transformed but with a new form created by us in a symbiotic two-headed [or more actual dual-brained] giant. One brain is the human, the other the machine.

I suspect the human will become irrelevant, just as chimps were our siblings, and the template from which we appeared, but became irrelevant to us [we don't give them Xmas presents - though Michael Jackson probably does give one a gift].

It's a lot of fun.

I agree with the 3D stuff too. Our brains like 3D. Our whole visual and aural perceptions are 3D. We have a 3D model of the world in our heads. I think that's why murder on TV doesn't seem real, even if it is. See it in 3D and it can properly record in our brains.

Artificial 3D could mess us up a lot. We won't know what's real. We'll go insane. There will be laws passed!

That's my theory. It fits the facts. Check out the Flynn Effect to see what's happening to brain power, even in 100 years. Ask Google! Google knows. Smarty pants that "they" are. Or It is.

One other thing, it's weird that we can be living at such a spectacularly phenomenal time and we seem to barely notice it, going about our lives as though nothing's happening. There's an ephemeral frisson of interest at each new thing, but it's soon subsumed into prosaic daily life as though it's always been.

Mqurice

PS: Well, that's 5.20am insomnia, so I'd better go zizzo again. That'll teach me not to turn the computer on instead of getting a drink of water and going straight back to sleep.

PS2: You can see reassortment and recombining of genes in the viral world, where H5N1 avian flu and human influenza might combine to kill a billion of us. There will be no new genes, just a filtering, blending and proliferation of the 'right ones'. Okay, it's not intelligence, but murder, but it works and helps the genes earn a living. They end up with a population which can carry them and the humans take over from those who don't have the resistant genes - it's a kind of good guy bad guy onslaught against the innocent and helpless. Germ warfare on a grand scale. recombinomics.com



To: Rambi who wrote (66207)12/16/2004 11:51:20 AM
From: Maurice Winn  Respond to of 71178
 
Did you see this Rambi? freep.com Google is going to read a LOT of books. AND Google remembers. Remembers ALL of it. Then doesn't die.

Google is a greedy little piggy, wanting to know everything about everything.

Maybe I'll read another book too, one of these days, to keep up with Google.

Mqurice

PS: For ease of reference, and in case the link dies, a bit of cloning: <A few months from now, perhaps by mid-2005, Google will be adding thousands of library books from university collections to its searchable database. But what will the new feature, announced this week by the world's leading search engine, mean for the average Web surfer?

It depends on what you're looking for.

Say, for instance, you're a high school student from Detroit with a history project to do. And you're wondering if there's anything out there about Civil War-era soldiers from your home state that would help out.

You sit down at your computer and type the words "Michigan," "Civil War" and "volunteers" into the Google search engine.

As it happens, the University of Michigan has already loaned the book "Record of Service of Michigan Volunteers of the Civil War, 1861-1865, v.1" to Google, which has made a digital version of it. Soon, Google will add it and other titles to its online library of books and Web pages.

But getting access to this book -- and others being loaned to Google by libraries at a few leading research universities -- won't necessarily be as easy as punching in a few search terms.

A link to the book will, for instance, likely turn up somewhere among the many items your search will generate. But it may not be listed among the top choices you're given, especially if your search terms are found in other Web material. As it stands right now, the links at the top of any Google search are those that are most popular with Google users.

And even if a link to the Michigan Volunteers book did turn up in your search, you still wouldn't be able to read the whole thing in this case.

That's because, under copyright laws, Google will only be able to provide snippets from many of the libraries' books -- sometimes only two or three sentences that contain the Web surfer's search terms.

It's a different story for books that are in the public domain -- many of them older texts with no copyright restrictions, which are sometimes part of rare collections.

These are the books that Google and the institutions that own them can put online, allowing users anywhere in the world to scroll through them page by page. Examples from the University of Michigan libraries that will appear in full text include such titles as "Darwin, and "After Darwin" and "The Compass and Square with Symbolism."

Other universities that are providing at least some books to Google include Stanford, Harvard and Oxford, as well as the New York Public Library.

"You'll see a highly faithful, photographic, high-resolution image of each page," says John Wilkin, a librarian at the University of Michigan who's been working with members of the so-called "Google Print" project for more than two years. He says that, by mid-2005, Google will have tens of thousands of the university's books in digital format -- and ready to be placed online.

Wilkin doesn't think having books and excerpts online will replace the brick-and-mortar library. But he does envision a day when people will be able to browse "virtual book shelves," arranged by topic or catalog number.

Michael Gorman, president-elect of the American Library Association, thinks the value of helping people from anywhere in the world view a library's special collections is "almost priceless."

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To: Rambi who wrote (66207)12/16/2004 2:57:36 PM
From: Maurice Winn  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 71178
 
Rambi. You have got me going. The human skull has only been a human skull for 100,000 years: jove.geol.niu.edu

So the contents of it were formed only in the last 100,000 years, and the filtering, recombining and mutation of those contents are quite new.

More people have been alive since 1900 than have ever lived before them. [Okay, that's a bald assertion and I hope you don't ask me to prove it].

Bingo. It took a few minutes but here's a reliable-looking graph of human population over the past 100,000 years. faculty.plattsburgh.edu

As you can see, it's only in the past 2000 years that things have really got cooking. Before that there were geographically-separated barbarians with a few centres of civilisation. It's only in the last century that there have been billions of us. It's only in the last 10 years that swarms of us have been clicking away to each other, copying/pasting and cyberspacing away like millions of neurons joining up according to common interest.

The IQ140 genes have been slowly gaining ground. Mostly it's still the IQ100 muddlers and plenty of the IQ80 strugglers are still around. But as I mentioned, the Flynn Effect shows intelligence is increasing fairly rapidly [even over decades].

I can see up close and very personal that there's plenty of scope for further filtering, recombining and general improvement. My hairy gibbon-like arms and forgetful, bewildered brain suggest the filtration process is far from complete. I would like some genetic engineering.

Meanwhile, we are building It, the global cyberspace brain which will make the industrial revolution, which replaced our muscles, look trivial. This is the biggest transition ever. Including the invention of writing, the wheel, fire, and the shift from chimps to humans. This is bigger than all that combined, including the industrial revolution. The invention of DNA is maybe comparable if combined with all that flowed from that. Even genetic engineering thrown in is only a bit of biological accelerant.

And, it's happening right now. What's weird is that such a thing can happen over a decade or three and people are quite blase about it. Ted Kaczynski wasn't but he was soon moved out of the way. His manifesto: thecourier.com

Mqurice

PS: I haven't added up all those who died before 1900, but those alive since looks like more. So you can see when human evolution has taken place. It's right now!