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To: goldworldnet who wrote (154184)12/16/2004 12:46:56 PM
From: Neocon  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
The stupid thing is that the Left is sensitive to the possibility that America mght offend Muslims and help Al Qaeda to recruit, but doesn't understand that it practically created the Christian Right by such aggressive attacks on things important to them.



To: goldworldnet who wrote (154184)12/16/2004 12:52:40 PM
From: epicure  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
You confuse an attempt to unravel government from God with a "full assault". I understand the attraction some people might have in taking advantage of their superior numbers in order to use the government, and its moneys, and public spaces, to advance their religion. But it isn't really very "nice"- and the Christian agenda is really more than adequately represented everywhere in our Christian dominated society. What you are really complaining about, is that you can't dominate the society as much as you want to. If that is an "assault" then it's a good one, imo.

There is, imo, nothing to debate on this issue. Either you think the dominant Christian religion is under "attack" or you don't. How you can look at the US and see Christians under attack is beyond me- so I'll let you have the last word. But let me tell you, folks on the other side don't see Christian culture as having much to worry about- save that they might not be able to oppress and control all the people who don't believe like they do (and why should Christians REALLY be able to take marriage away from people who don't have their religious beliefs? Take it away from your parishoners- but why should you be able to do that to people who do not think the way you do? And why SHOULD you be able to have Jesus in the town hall, if other religions are not having their displays there? Goodness knows, there's plenty of Christmas everywhere else. Why MUST you own government as well? Why not leave it as an open and inviting public space for everyone? Why not? Because that would be tolerant and inclusive. ) JMO of course.



To: goldworldnet who wrote (154184)12/16/2004 7:30:00 PM
From: Maurice Winn  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
<Institutions such as Christmas, the boy scouts, marriage, and the pledge of allegiance to name a few, seem to be under full assault.>

Most of humanity gets by very happily without any of those, though monogamous commitment seems to me to be an important aspect of life [whether the state gets in on the act with an actual legal knot, or not]. So their demise could hardly be seen as a particularly bad thing.

I like Xmas, I've been a boy scout and I'm married [though none of our offspring are and I was indifferent to being married]. I don't like the idea of pledges of allegiance. They seem a bit too Orwellian for my taste. What do you do if you disagree with something?

If people want Xmas, they can do it in the privacy of their own homes if nobody else is interested. If they want to play scouts, they can form a club. If they want to be committed to a sexual partner, they can. If they want to chant allegiance incantations, feel free to do so.

Mqurice