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To: carranza2 who wrote (154244)	12/16/2004 4:10:50 PM
From: cnyndwllr	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Carranza2, re: Despite being a fairly tolerant individual, I find that most current popular music is ugly, movies are ugly, athletes are often stupid and amoral, actors are arrogant, amoral and stupid, architecture, with few exceptions is grotesque, the media is often dishonest and purposefully stupid, fashions are ugly, most modern art sucks, many books are stupid [as proven by the ____ For Dummies line], mass television is incredibly ugly and stupid, and mass fast food is an abomination. In other words, we have unconsciously adopted stupid, ugly and amoral as the paradigms to rule our current popular culture and, indeed, a goodly portion of our way of life. Thanks for one of the heartiest laughs I've had in a long time. Ed PS. My wife enjoyed it too. (edit, my wife tells me she finds it depressing.)

To: carranza2 who wrote (154244)	12/16/2004 4:11:25 PM
From: epicure	Respond to of 281500

We have a consumer driven society. If you can raise your kids not to want violent movies and violent music, then you are part of the solution- and if you don't watch them yourself, then you are also part of the solution. Problem is, people don't really want to control their own behavior- since that's kind of hard. What people really enjoy doing is meddling in other people's behavior. And as for beauty- well, it's out there, and it's everywhere, but most people don't want to read really great literature (if that's even what most people would call beautiful)- many people don't want to read at all. And people WANT shows with sex and violence- even the red staters. They may say it shocks them- but the ratings tell us that's what they are watching. Me, I don't even watch commercial TV, and neither do my kids. I believe in beauty, and books, and music- but I'm not typical, and you probably aren't either. We see reflected in our culture what the masses want, and are willing to subsidize- and it IS ugly to me, but maybe not to them. I wouldn't foist my tastes on to anyone, but I do think people who are different deserve to be allowed to BE different (and not punished by the state), because I don't think the masses always have the best sense- not when it comes to whom to discriminate against, not when it comes to how much sugar and fat to eat, and not when it comes to what books are great and what TV shows are worth watching.