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To: Kid Rock who wrote (91641)	12/17/2004 1:30:48 AM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

This looks like it might be a long and drawn-out affair where I will really have to concentrate and think straight. Small silly subjects are better for late night postings, I think. Unfortunately I am really tired right now, and just looking at your post is complicated, so thank you very much for posting, but I would like to reply more seriously later, in the next day or so.

To: Kid Rock who wrote (91641)	12/18/2004 12:57:07 AM
From: Grainne	Respond to of 108807

I do think I am capable of logical arguments, but using algorithms is not my style. Reading your post gave me a little headache, in fact. Could we talk in sentences instead? The basis of my belief about Monsanto is that it is actually evil to take farming from a system where farmers save their seeds and replant them, to one where a large corporation has the rights to the seeds, and farmers must purchase them anew every year. I also believe that genetic modification is in itself a horrible idea. I mean the kind that Monsanto does, where fish genes end up in tomatoes. I realize that throughout history, farmers and nature itself have modified seeds to some degree, but that is not a Pandora's box kind of danger. I assume that part of your argument will be that our huge and growing population will starve to death unless Monsanto takes personal responsibility for all the crops grown everywhere, but I believe strongly that it is the waste of grain used in the production of meat and the use of pesticides and fertilizers of the kind that Monsanto makes that degrade the soil and make it impossible to grow enough food. Monsanto essentially is attempting to create a monopoly, or close to it, so that the age-old relationship between a farmer, the soil and his seeds is destroyed, and Monsanto profits from its destruction. And then there are the nasties like human bovine growth hormone and all the other wicked chemicals Monsanto and companies like it create that damage and destroy animal and human health. Now can you express your argument within some kind of structure that I understand? Please? I am sorry that you had such problems trying to be a vegetarian. I didn't have time to really read your thread to see what happened. Some people like meat a lot more than others naturally. My husband was like that, but now he loves beans and lentils instead (in delicious stews and casseroles, of course). There is a lot of vegetarian Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Thai, Middle Eastern and Indian food, and it is very good. These cuisines have been developed over thousands of years. Eating a lot of ethnic, naturally vegetarian food is a really good bridge to vegetarianism, because you don't feel like you're missing out on flavor. If you ever try again, it really helps to watch the videos at PETA.com about how animals really live and are slaughtered. It was hard for me to even imagine eating them after I found out how they suffered. Or you could just remember when you sit down to a meat meal that in every single case your dinner was murdered. I don't think that's a good vibe for starting a meal anymore, so meat just lost its appeal. Vegetarians live several years longer than meat eaters, of course. Heart and circulatory disease are almost entirely diseases of meat-eating cultures. Americans kill themselves with their horrible diets. I saw a reference to your love of burgers at your site. One really good way to ensure that you never eat one again is to read Fast Food Nation cover to cover. Only if you want to, of course.