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To: Janice Shell who wrote (897)	12/17/2004 8:31:33 PM
From: scion	Respond to of 5425

This is Don Georgino of Asiavest - a man of many aliases on SI and RB. To: TheTruthseeker who wrote (84864) 7/27/2003 9:53:55 PM From: scionist Read Replies (3) of 88840 This is Don Georgino of Asiavest - a man of many aliases on SI and RB. angelfire.com MESSAGE BOARDS AND CHAT ROOMS AN EXCLUSIVE REPORT THIS IS PART I OF A THREE PART SERIES DEALING WITH MESSAGE BOARDS AND HOW THEY ARE USED BY COMPANIES, THE MEDIA, INVESTORS, AND CRIMINALS, TO MANIPULATE STOCK PRICES. THIS IS NOT FICTION, IT IS A REALITY. There are a variety of financial message boards and chat rooms on the worldwide internet. The most popular of these boards are Yahoo, Silicon Investor, and Raging Bull. Pick out a trading symbol, almost any trading symbol and you should be able to find an appropriate message board or chat room. When you find the right board you may find everything from professional pump and dump artists to criminals that have [naked] shorted the stock you have selected (remember shorting a stock is not illegal, but naked shorting is!). Profound statements such as THIS STOCK WILL SOON BE HALTED to NEW SALES ARE GOING TO PUSH THIS STOCK PRICE THRU THE ROOF, will be found posted on many of these message board sites. Some of the posters are sincere investors and others are outright criminals. Most posters use screen names or aliases to protect their true identity. As you search through the various message boards you will find such aliases as PUMPANDDUMP, iamgumby, stockwizzard, truthseeker, scambuster, mamabear, pluvia, observer, backman, 200mph, tooldude, ripalips, pilapir, and the list goes on and on. In many cases, the same poster may have an unlimited number of aliases and can often be found on message boards, posting and answering messages to themselves under various aliases. It is also common to share passwords with associates, allowing for numerous individuals to post under a "common" screen name. They would like you to believe that their motivation for posting on the boards is to either steer you towards a great investment, or alert you to a scam. The reality is that "most" have a self interest for posting and in most cases that self interest can be measured in monetary terms. Many of these posters are even compensated to post on the boards by individuals and companies attempting to manipulate certain stocks. The boards are monitored by a variety of governmental and quasi-governmental agencies such as the Securities and Exchange Commission and the Federal Bureau of Investigation. We ourselves, generally will have three or four investigators, monitoring various message boards and chat rooms, at any given time. Our primary concern in monitoring the message boards, is to protect the interests of our clients. Never believe what is posted on public message boards, do your own due diligence. The reason for this is that there is no pre-verification process for information posted on these message boards and it is a fact that many of the posters are fraudsters, stock manipulators, vindictive ex-employees and outright criminals. Basically they can post whatever they like, with little or no recourse. Most posters will hide behind the First Ammendment of the Constitution. Control over what is posted on public message boards is limited by First Amendment Rights and the general right to freedom of expression. There have been a variety of lawsuits initiated against message board posters and those suits have generally gone in favor of the posters (Defendants). Often times you will find posters claiming to have been libeled, although the courts have held that an anonymous poster can not be legally libeled. Our general opinion of message board posting is that it almost always victimizes the company or harms sincere investors. The negative aspects certainly appear to outweigh the positive. Because of recent criminal cases, there has been more attention directed to message board postings, by certain enforcement agencies. Also, new computer technology both in the governmental and private sectors has allowed for the shield of anonymity to fade away on many message board posters. The value in identifying message board posters is that when and if they cross the line between freedom of expression and criminal activity, they can appropriately be dealt with. Many posters fall in the category of being outright criminals. These are the ones that feel hurting a company or investors is nothing more than a financial game, until they cross the line and feel the long arm of the law and the rath of corporate entities that fight back. In our opinion, public message boards are one of the most flagrant avenues for stock manipulation. angelfire.com Message 19152425

To: Janice Shell who wrote (897)	12/17/2004 8:36:18 PM
From: scion	Respond to of 5425

Our investigators have used this procedure very effectively and have been directly responsible for having certain postings removed from message boards and in many cases we have been effective in removing posters from message boards, for violating the TOS. To: TheTruthseeker who wrote (84928) 7/28/2003 12:52:55 PM From: scionist Mark as Last Read \| Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 88840 Our investigators have used this procedure very effectively and have been directly responsible for having certain postings removed from message boards and in many cases we have been effective in removing posters from message boards, for violating the TOS. This exclusive report has been prepared by Asiavest investigators: Andy Chen (Taipei), Joyce Lu (Beijing) and Frank Taylor (Los Angeles). MESSAGE BOARD POSTERS Update 1 EXCLUSIVE Message boards such as Yahoo and Silicon Investor give investors the opportunity to share their views and comments as they may relate to a specific stocks or general investing. It also allows vindictive former employees, competitors, stock manipulators and others to publicly post their negative messages. Negative message posters are generally referred to as "bashers". In most cases these negative posters have shorted a certain stock and want to do all that they can to see the stock price move downward. You will find that most negative posters generally work in teams and will often exchange passwords with fellow posters. When a certain stock comes under fire by groups of negative posters, there is almost always a negative effect on the company that is under attack. The negative posters or bashers will usually have a specific plan of attack. Not only will they post negative messages, they will also send messages to the SEC and other governmental agencies with unfounded and baseless allegations. They will often times contact suppliers and customers of the targeted company and flood them with negative information about the targeted company. The plan of the bashers is to create havoc and cause sincere investors to lose confidence in the targeted company. In most circumstances negative posters are loosely organized and rarely work alone. The negative posters are easy to find and will generally attack companies with weak fundamentals. In many cases they will work hand in hand with journalists, who thrive on negative journalism and hatchet job articles. Is posting negative information about a company on public message boards illegal? Absolutely not, but there are applicable rules and laws that apply to the posting of information on public message boards. Intentional misinformation is actionable by governmental authorities, especially if it has an effect on the trading price of a security. You will find that all message boards and chat rooms have terms of service (TOS). These are the basic rules that posters must adhere to when posting on specific sites. When a poster violates the TOS, there is a procedure to follow for reporting the said violation to the service provider. Our investigators have used this procedure very effectively and have been directly responsible for having certain postings removed from message boards and in many cases we have been effective in removing posters from message boards, for violating the TOS. Almost all message boards will have an icon to report terms of service violations. What we have found to be effective is to report the TOS violations to the service provider and then we will generally follow up with a letter from our legal staff which documents the TOS violations and their effect. This entire process takes about ten days and is very effective. Message board bashing is not common to only U.S. listed companies. Stock bashing coupled with naked shorting has been a very common occurrence with companies listed on various exchanges in Taiwan, China, Singapore, and Hong Kong; and have had a much more devastating effect than in the U.S. Some basic rules of thumb in dealing with negative posters is to never directly interact with them. They are not your friends. They are not your pen pals. Generally they are posting with the intent of hurting the company and ultimately hurting your investment. Never engage in e-mail communication with the bashers and never ever base an investment decision on information posted on public message boards. This exclusive report has been prepared by Asiavest investigators: Andy Chen (Taipei), Joyce Lu (Beijing) and Frank Taylor (Los Angeles). angelfire.com

To: Janice Shell who wrote (897)	12/17/2004 8:45:07 PM
From: scion	Respond to of 5425

On Don's Asiavest site he claims to have several "investigators" on his staff watching the message boards. im_gumby knew Georgino very well as many more posts on RB's CIO board showed... To: Tommy Hicks who wrote (84987) 7/29/2003 12:10:30 PM From: scionist Mark as Last Read \| Respond to of 88840 By: im_gumby 29 Jul 2003, 11:59 AM EDT Msg. 119079 of 119082 Jump to msg. # Here's some food for thought. On Don's Asiavest site he claims to have several "investigators" on his staff watching the message boards. Now that could get pretty expensive. Lets say its only $8.00 an hr per person, 4 people would be $32.00 an hour. So who has this Don hired? Could it be that he attaches himself to a loyal group of "long and strong" investors, who will do whatever it takes to "protect" their investment...? And he gets you to do his work that he's collecting a fee? How does that make you feel? ragingbull.lycos.com Message 19157578

To: Janice Shell who wrote (897)	12/17/2004 9:08:55 PM
From: scion	Respond to of 5425

Seems Don is attempting to discredit you. I'd ignore him. One can only imagine just how much trouble he is in, Although you and a couple of other people know for sure. ;-) By: im_gumby 30 Aug 2003, 01:53 PM EDT Msg. 119577 of 121861 Jump to msg. # OT: Hey Rip, Seems Don is attempting to discredit you. I'd ignore him. One can only imagine just how much trouble he is in, Although you and a couple of other people know for sure. ;-) I and others don't like his threats at all. Am I concerned? Sure, he's dumb enough to actually try something. As to his Asiavest site, its all been archieved and its also on the Silicon Investor site. Seems he's made a lot of enemies fast as well as opened himself up to a lot of legal liabilities. Just think if someone were so motivated, they could get a class action suit against him, his company and its client list for a lot of things. But he's really a little fish trying to pretend that just because he has some teeth that he's a shark. Not worth the effort to even play with. Nor is Pwauk for that matter. Its interesting that he has never posted on topic at all. ;-) Got to run. I only get a couple of days off from work so I need to make the most of it. Cheers! -G ragingbull.lycos.com