To: carranza2 who wrote (91409 ) 12/23/2004 4:13:26 PM From: frankw1900 Respond to of 793804 Yes, I'm a big fan of Fallaci. Although it's often easy to be pessimistic when we read works by folk like her and Ye'or - I'm going to have to get the book - we can see them as coal miners' canaries, or as harbingers of more folks' changing attitude towards Eurabia-ization. If US ME policy is even partially successful then European ME policy - which is mostly French policy - will have no place to stand except as submission to local European islamofascists who will overstep themselves in their demands - they have already in some places - and eventually reap (possibly even) extreme reaction. The European (French) Arab/Israel ME policy is already starting to look more like a European Iran/Israel policy. Actually, in the ME it will start to look like a European Khomeniist/Israel policy. This doesn't have legs. The political/geographical/cultural lynchpin of the ME is Arab Iraq, not Iran or Egypt. Reasonable US success in Iraq sweeps the rug from under European ME policy and the ramifications in Europe with regard to its extremist muslim population may well be extensive.The tension between Europeans and Eurabians arises from fundamental and uncompromising differences over political, societal, and cultural values, as well as core religious identities. Exactly. And it's personal . There is already clear reaction in Britain, Holland, Scandanavia, possibly Germany and Italy. The islamist ideology requires violence and attacks on prominent targets. The already untenably nasty situation in parts of some European cities, if left unchecked, will intensify and reaction will be even greater.This tension is also apparent in disputes regarding the strength and durability of the European-American transatlantic alliance and the cohesion of what we still call Western civilization. The divisive European-Eurabian arguments over the war in Iraq, or the larger global war on jihad terrorism, reflect a deeper religious and cultural confrontation between Western and Arab/Islamic civilizations where, consciously or not, Eurabians have become the agents of Islamic political ambitions in Europe. Will we be modern, or not?