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To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (69215)	12/20/2004 3:50:26 PM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 89467

jw, Re: should I outline Clinton's shortcomings? From the list that you've provided, I would have to say that while I agree that Clinton was a flawed leader, I see his faults as being of a somewhat different nature from what you see fit to criticize. Re: combined with military dismantlement Does it cross your mind that the greatest theft of the American taxpayer's money has been perpetrated by the military-industrial complex and its insatiable greed? If not, you might wish to pay more attention to the matter. Last week, the USAF announced yet another failure in the two decade old Star Wars project. Since the days when Ronald Reagan was bald-faced lying to us about the threat that the decrepit Soviet Union posed, this nation has pissed away somewhere between $80 and $120 BILLION on a malevolently premised and aggressively poised National Missile Defense system. That is only one of multiple boondoggles that the militarists have been trying to "sell" to the befuddled American taxpayer. Bill Clinton did not do nearly enough to curtail this madness. In fact, I very much fault Clinton for being a dissembler about the real purposed of the naked militarism and illegal aggression he engaged in. Here's an eye-opening article on the utterly cynical use of military force on behalf of a handful of elitist corporate thugs: antiwar.com But, let's not just say that it is about Bush, Clinton or any other individual. The real poison in the American system is the over-wrought greed and militarized will to Empire that will bankrupt this nation, destroy its vaunted way of life, end the succor of imminently useful social programs and bring about a new Dark Ages of Christian Crusades, spreading a virulent poison of superstitious ignorance across the planet. As they say, military intelligence is an oxymoron. Our present predicament certainly proves the case.

To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (69215)	12/20/2004 8:04:07 PM
From: SiouxPal	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 89467

Why don't you outline your shortcomings..... Last Hungarian Soldiers Leave Iraq Associated Press BUDAPEST, Hungary - The last of Hungary's 300 soldiers serving in a transportation unit south of Baghdad left Iraq on Monday and will be home in a few days, a Defense Ministry spokesman said. "The soldiers are in now Kuwait and all will return home by Christmas," ministry spokesman Istvan Bocskai said. Hungary's parliament last year authorized the soldiers' mission, but restricted their activities to non-combat duties and set an end date of Dec. 31, 2004. The Hungarian unit was based in the city of Hillah and mostly provided transportation services for coalition troops. The Socialist-led government's plan to extend the mission by three months — until March 31, 2005 — was voted down in parliament last month by the center-right opposition. Prime Minister Ferenc Gyurcsany had backed the extension, saying it was important for Hungary to be present in Iraq during the elections set to be held there at the end of January. Still, the government pledged last week to send 150 soldiers to Iraq in the middle of 2005 to provide security at a NATO training camp for Iraqi officers. Since the soldiers would be under NATO command, their deployment would not need parliamentary approval. One Hungarian soldier died in Iraq, killed in June when a roadside bomb exploded by the convoy he was guarding.