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To: i-node who wrote (213703)	12/21/2004 3:02:42 PM
From: Road Walker	Respond to of 1578485

re: You totally don't know what you're dealing with here. You haven't the slightest idea. Just using basic arithmetic even YOU can understand: 300,000,000 people $2,000/month * 12 months * 10 years = $72 trillion.* You obviously don't know what you are talking about. Where do you get $2K/month? Where do you get 300 million <presumably> retired people? re: You really don't get it. When you're dealing with retirement funds, you look at very long-term scenarios -- 50 years, 100, even 150 years. YOU don't get it. When you are looking at any budget item, of course you look long term. re: When you get to the point that current benefits = current contributions (which everyone who understands ANYTHING about this problem agrees will happen), with no funds available for accrued future liabilities, that is basically what you're facing. No amount of raising the payroll tax will solve it. Bull shit. You raise the payroll cap, you slightly lower future liabilities by averaging wage and price inflation for COL increases. You DON'T GET TO THE POINT where current benefits are higher than current contributions. You solve the problem; you DON'T add $2Trillion in additional debt because you think private accounts would be fun. If we used your SS logic with the federal budget, we would be insolvent right now, and SS would be demanding it's surplus from the feds. You freaking liberals always want to borrow and spend, borrow and spend. Get it through your thick skull, WE CAN'T AFFORD IT. John

To: i-node who wrote (213703)	12/21/2004 3:23:13 PM
From: Road Walker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1578485

W.House Expects Probe of Iraq, Guantanamo Abuses Tue Dec 21,11:58 AM ET Politics - Reuters By Adam Entous WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The White House said on Tuesday it expected a full investigation of prisoner abuses in Iraq (news - web sites) and Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, after new FBI (news - web sites) memos described detainees facing beatings and having lit cigarettes placed in their ears. "If there is abuse that occurs, we expect it to be investigated fully and people to be held accountable, and measures taken to make sure that it doesn't happen again," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said. He said the Defense Department was investigating "a number of allegations that have been made," and added: "We expect them to get to the bottom of it." The White House was responding to newly released FBI e-mails that reported some military interrogators, posing as FBI agents to avoid being held accountable, used torture techniques. One told of an interrogation at the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay in which a detainee was wrapped in an Israeli flag and bombarded with loud music and strobe lights. The e-mails also described detainees at Guantanamo being shackled hand and foot in a fetal position on the floor. They were kept in that position for 18 to 24 hours at a time and most had urinated or defecated on themselves. On one occasion, an FBI agent reported having seen a detainee left in an unventilated, non-air conditioned room at temperatures probably well over 100 degrees. "The detainee was almost unconscious on the floor, with a pile of hair next to him. He had apparently been literally pulling his own hair out throughout the night," the agent noted. The memos covered a two-year period that ended in August, well after a scandal erupted in April about abuses at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison. Photographs from Abu Ghraib, showing U.S. soldiers taunting and humiliating naked prisoners, sparked worldwide condemnation. The Bush administration has also been accused of abusing prisoners in Afghanistan (news - web sites). A number of military personnel have been charged. The FBI memos were made public on Monday by the American Civil Liberties Union (news - web sites), which obtained them under the Freedom of Information Act. One heavily redacted June 25 FBI memo, titled "URGENT REPORT" to the FBI director, provided details from someone "who observed serious physical abuses of civilian detainees" in Iraq. "He described that such abuses included strangulation, beatings, placement of lit cigarettes into the detainees ear openings, and unauthorized interrogations," the document stated. The memo also mentioned "cover-up of these abuses."