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To: Chas. who wrote (14811)	12/22/2004 8:37:00 PM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 20773

chuck, Yours is a most bizarre understanding of how the world works. You suggest, your tribal warriors and tribal leaders have seen fit to provide you with these freedoms...at their expense mind you not yours.... Ahem, perhaps you've noticed once a year that there is an article or two in your local newspaper that describes in no detail whatsoever that the U.S. military has secured another $400 Billion or so in its annual appropriation. And not being a curious fellow, you haven't investigated how the actual cost of the warmongers to the rest of the society that they parasitize actually amounts to about $800 Billion. And you surely won't have read in your local paper, or seen on your local TV that the Department of Death has a little problem with keeping track of the public's money. Something that Don Rumsfeld was explaining in some detail to the Senate Appropriations Committee on September 10, 2001 but which got swept out of the public's consciousness within 18 hours. Oh, yes, that was a matter of $1.1 TRILLION that the Department of Death couldn't seem to account for. They knew for sure they had spent it, all right. They just could not tell for sure who or what they had spent it on. Your ideas about tribal leaders and tribal warriors are about at the same level of intellectual analysis that viewers of "Gunsmoke" on our ancient TV sets would cogitate. Oh, we got your "good guys" and we got your "bad guys". And the "good guys" always win, after a bit of a dust up. Is that how you see the world chuck? If so, I don't know whether to feel sorry for your contemptible lack of comprehension, or admire you for being so happy about being the village idiot. * You might want to see if you can comprehend the moral shoals that are being discussed here: richardreeves.com LYING KILLS BY RICHARD REEVES NEW YORK -- On Monday of last week, both The New York Times and USA Today published anonymously sourced stories reporting that the Department of Defense was considering plunging deeply into the disinformation business. "Such missions," said The Times, "could take the deceptive techniques endorsed for use on the battlefield to confuse an adversary and adopt them for covert propaganda campaigns aimed at neutral and even allied nations." The timing suggests these stories were leaked by people in the Pentagon trying to stop the military before it kills again -- or simply shoots itself in the foot. The idea suggests there are crazy people in the Department of Defense. Criminally insane, in this case. By mission and nature, the military in a democracy exists in an alternate universe.** End quote. That would be you, I guess. A player in some alternative universe of deceit, self-delusion and ultimately, the destroyer of democracy, just as Rep. Ron Paul frets about here: house.gov Quote: In 2002 I asked my House colleagues a rhetorical question with regard to the onslaught of government growth in the post-September 11th era: Is America becoming a police state? The question is no longer rhetorical..... So chuck, I don't want to hear one more dog-damned word about "tribal warriors and tribal leaders". I want to hear what you are doing to fight excessive militarism and its pernicious destruction of the American way of life. TIA. -A Democrat

To: Chas. who wrote (14811)	12/30/2004 8:41:36 PM
From: tsigprofit	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20773

Chucky, I've gotten several complaints about your non-moderate tirades here. Tone it down please, or go. Your choice. Calling redfish and others names here - lackey, his "red" lunch pail, etc. is uncalled for, and we both know you know better. If you have a conservative position, put it forth, but don't personally attack other posters here - goes for all here, as you know. I am 100% against the Iraq war. I think it's a terrible waste of American and Iraqi lives, and over 200 billiion of our dollars. Does that make me "red"? Give me a break. I'm also in favor of missile defense. Does that make me a conservative. I don't think so. Put forth your issues here, but please all don't attack each other. That is my main function here, to encourage debate, and try to intervene when the name calling starts. Let's all play nice, and we'll all learn something in 2005. Happy New Year all, t