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To: Road Walker who wrote (213837)	12/23/2004 1:32:33 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1585967

re: Frankly, I don't think they are telling us how bad the conditions really are in Iraq. The other bad part of this war is what it's done to the US from a strategic perspective. A couple of points: The vaulted US military now looks powerless against a ragtag insurgency. The fear factor of our military power is greatly diminished, along with our ability to negotiate and influence under threat of military intervention. As we are tied down in Iraq for years to come, the rest of the world knows we don't have the resources to react with any significant scale anywhere else. The rise in oil prices subsequent to the war is actually making the regimes the war was intended to undermine stronger. This is a monetary windfall for those governments. Your points are well taken. The thing that is not very visible as of yet is the war's impact on the US at home. We are feeling it only a little economically and maybe are just starting to feel it psychologically. At some point those red voters who voted for Bush because Kerry scared them will begin to realize the one to have been feared was Bush all along. Its at that point the unraveling process will start to pick up speed. The war has done so much harm it's difficult to believe. We are hated around the world from a moral perspective, and less respected from a power perspective. We are seen as the torturers, the aggressors, the world's super power bad guy. Our debt is through the roof, partially because of the war. The dollar has tanked. Yup. Its what happens when you have stupid leaders. Rummie does not have a clue. Every time he says something confirms that point. Sadly, he is so out of touch that he has no idea how off base he sounds. Actually, the only good thing you can say is that we are polarized. At least we know somewhere near half the country recognizes how Bush has managed to undo the work of generations.* Actually, I think that makes it worse. The people who are not in daNile will at some point explode out of sheer frustration and fear. The red voters are behaving like someone who is driving erratically but won't give up the driving to someone else. Eventually, the fear will be too great for the rest of us. There will be a move to take some kind of control. The Iraq decision will haunt this country. It may well be our Waterloo. I suspect its the beginning of our decline. ted

To: Road Walker who wrote (213837)	12/23/2004 2:12:23 PM
From: Suma	Respond to of 1585967

I believe everything you state here. And daily it gets worse and no one seems to be able to do anything about it except spout platitudes like there will be an election and blah blah blah... AND the big contracting company pulled out and who else will pull out . With the insurgents able to penetrate almost anything they choose and suicide bombers ready to detonate who in their right mind would want to go to Iraq. I wonder how many posting on these threads that support the war would not be willing to go given the choice...