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To: cnyndwllr who wrote (154729)12/23/2004 6:13:40 PM
From: Dan B.  Respond to of 281500
 
Re: " don't spend a lot of time thinking about whether Clinton "trashed ..women who told the truth."

Neither do I. But when I happen upon someone who doesn't understand the significance of that, I feel morally ok about spending time telling them.

Re: "And I'll continue to feel sympathy for the dead, the dying and the wounded in Iraq.

Me too. I will also cheer our troops on in what I feel is a justified mission in Iraq.

The rest of your post deals with belittling the fact that I certainly feel bad for the women Clinton trashed before the whole world, and you don't seem to realize that a legitimate human concern such as that can be worth the time. You offer some irrelevant blathering about whether women screwing Clinton should be shocked that he lied about them. Why should I care that they committed adultry (and belittle them for it in some fashion as you very much seem to), any more than American voters and I cared that Clinton did too?).

As for Pain...I dealt with it a long time ago, LOL. You, however, seem to be perhaps every bit as willing to defend Clinton, or put me down for talking of him during this war, as I am to take a moment or two on the discussion. I think the old rule applies...you are speaking of yourself here. Therefore, I hope you learn to deal with the pain.

Dan B.



To: cnyndwllr who wrote (154729)12/24/2004 9:27:12 AM
From: Dan B.  Respond to of 281500
 
By the by, Merry Christmas to all. EOM



To: cnyndwllr who wrote (154729)12/24/2004 4:30:43 PM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 281500
 
No Peace on Earth During Unjust War
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by Andrew Greeley
Published on Friday, December 24, 2004 by the Chicago Sun Times
commondreams.org

One reads in the papers that the Pentagon expects the war in Iraq to continue till 2010. Donald Rumsfeld will not guarantee that it will be over by 2009. How many dead and maimed Americans by then? How many sad obituaries? How many full pages in the papers with pictures of all the casualties?

Why?

The reasons change: weapons of mass destruction, war on terror, freedom and democracy for the people of Iraq, American credibility. All are deceptions. This cockamamie and criminally immoral war was planned before the Sept. 11 attack in which Iraq was not involved. It has nothing to do with the war on terror. American-style freedom and democracy in Arab countries are hallucinations by men and women like Paul Wolfowitz and Condi Rice whose contribution to the war is writing long memos -- Republican intellectuals with pointy heads.

One must support the troops, I am told. I certainly support the troops the best way possible: Bring them home, get them out of a war for which the planning was inadequate, the training nonexistent, the goal obscure, and the equipment and especially the armor for their vehicles inferior. They are brave men and women who believe they are fighting to defend their country and have become sitting ducks for fanatics. Those who die are the victims of the big lie. They believe that they are fighting to prevent another terror attack on the United States. They are not the war criminals. The ''Vulcans,'' as the Bush foreign policy team calls itself, are the criminals, and they ought to face indictment as war criminals.

There is an irony in the promise of a prolonged war. The Vulcans believed that, as the world's only superpower, the military might of the United States was overwhelming, irresistible, beyond challenge. In fact, the war into which they tricked us has become a quagmire, 130,000 American troops are at the mercy of perhaps 5,000 true-believer guerrillas and an Iraqi population that doesn't like Americans any more than it liked Saddam Hussein. It is a war in which there is no possibility of victory -- whether it ends in June 2005 or June 2010, whether there are 2,000 American battle deaths or 50,000, whether there are 10,000 wounded Americans or 500,000, whether those with post-traumatic stress are 10 percent of the returning troops or 30 percent.

One of the criteria for a just war is that there be a reasonable chance of victory. Where is that reasonable chance? Each extra day of the war makes it more unjust, more criminal. The guilty people are not only the Vulcans but those Americans who in the November election endorsed the war.

They are also responsible for the Iraqi deaths, especially the men who join the police or the army because they need the money to support their families -- their jobs eaten up in the maw of the American ''liberation.'' Iraqi deaths don't trouble many Americans. Their attitude is not unlike the e-mail writer who said he rejoices every time a Muslim kills another Muslim. ''Let Allah sort them out.''

This time of the year we celebrate ''peace on Earth to men of good will.'' Americans must face the fact that they can no longer claim to be men and women of good will, not as long as they support an unnecessary, foolish, ill-conceived, badly executed and, finally, unwinnable war. If most people in other countries blame the war on Americans, we earned that blame in the November election -- not that there is any serious reason to believe that Sen. John Kerry would have had the courage to end the war. Perhaps if he had changed his mind, as he did about the war in Vietnam, and opposed the Iraqi war, he might have won. Too late now. Too late till 2010 -- or 2020.
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Note: Some conservative Catholics -- Republicans, I assume -- are spreading the word on the Internet that I am an ''unfrocked'' (sic) priest. That is false witness. I am and have been for 50 years a priest in good standing of the Archdiocese of Chicago. Call (312) 751-8220 if you don't believe me. False witness is a grave sin and must be confessed before Christmas communion. Moreover, those who commit it are bound to restore the reputation of the one about whom they've lied.

© Copyright 2004 Chicago Sun Times



To: cnyndwllr who wrote (154729)12/29/2004 11:09:21 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 281500
 
Nothing curious about this Cabinet
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RON SUSKIND
GUEST COLUMNIST
Seattle Post-Intelligencer
Wednesday, December 29, 2004
seattlepi.nwsource.com

WASHINGTON -- As President Bush remakes his administration for his second term, the most important member of his new Cabinet may turn out to be the one he was unwilling -- or unable -- to replace: Treasury Secretary John Snow.

In some ways, Snow was the first selection of this new Cabinet, just now settling into its full ensemble. Snow's prenuptial agreement, when he replaced the obstreperous Paul O'Neill two years ago, is similar to the ones his newly arrived (or at least newly promoted) second-term colleagues have just signed: All policies come from the White House. Read the script with ardor and good cheer.

As Bush learned in his first term, this is a difficult agreement for some of the United States' most accomplished people to sign. They may be publicly hailed for their innovation and decisiveness, but those qualities are rarely demanded in their Cabinet jobs. Consequently, Cabinet members often feel like imposters. This president's mission is to tame the unwieldy federal bureaucracy, not empower it.

One way he has done this is to weaken Cabinet members themselves, often by allowing them to announce policies that he has then publicly repudiated -- a tactic he used, for instance, with Secretary of State Colin Powell over administration policy toward North Korea. Not surprising, many traditional high achievers end up frustrated. Recruitment of others has proved difficult. The result is the second-term Cabinet: an odd collection of quiet tacticians and loyal friends.

This has significant implications in how the government is run -- and the Treasury Department offers a glimpse of what other parts of the executive branch are fast becoming. Just as a White House is defined by its president, departments were often reflections of their secretaries. Over the past two years, Treasury -- like State under Powell -- has become a neutered giant, looking for direction from an often distracted or otherwise engaged White House. Meanwhile, the policy arms of entire parts of the government have been withering as career staffers leave for jobs where they can at least use their expertise and training.

Bush's style of top-down management means that Cabinet departments are no longer reflections of their secretaries but of the president himself -- or, more precisely, his will. It's a system that many corporate chief executives would envy (or certainly did in the 1970s, when Bush was at Harvard Business School), and it just may be Bush's most significant legacy.

Yet such an arrangement creates its own set of problems, especially in the public sector. Snow, for example, after two years traveling the nation and world promoting the president's policies, suddenly was seen as inadequate in the post-election glow. The centerpieces of the president's second term -- Social Security reform and an overhaul of the tax code -- would both require the support of a Cabinet secretary who was more than a mere mouthpiece.

Snow, though he is a former chief executive and has a doctorate in economics, was not considered to be up to the task of guiding two of the most ambitious domestic policy proposals in decades through Congress and Wall Street. Unattributed quotations to this effect began to leak from the White House, and names of possible replacements made headlines. Snow was cast adrift, rescued only when some of the more prominent names let it be known they were not interested in his job.

The unspoken concern at the center of this episode: maybe loyalty is not enough. Maybe the president needs to vest his authority in someone who can actually help sail the ship of state on these two initiatives, someone with autonomous and irrefutable credibility in areas where the president -- electoral mandates notwithstanding -- could use a boost.

The president, affirming Snow, has decided otherwise. Power, as Bush sees it, justifies itself. No boost required. It is undercut, in fact, by even a reasonable expression of need.

Or by probing questions. The president chose Bernard Kerik to lead the Department of Homeland Security because he was "a good man," an intangible, gut-check standard that the president also applies to judicial nominees and world leaders. When it emerged that Kerik's nomination was doomed, he withdrew to spare Bush further embarrassment. He thus proved that he possessed the very qualities of personal loyalty (if not necessarily honesty) that recommended him to the president in the first place.

Whatever the roots of Bush's overriding devotion to loyalty, it partly stems from his disdain for the concerns of old-style meritocrats, the kind of people who wince when the president places his confidence in someone like Kerik. Bush has never been comfortable in the United States' so-called meritocracy. Undistinguished in college, business school and in the private sector, he spent nearly 30 years sitting in seminar rooms and corporate suites while experts and high achievers held forth.

Now it appears that he's having his revenge -- speaking loudly in his wave of second-term Cabinet nominations for a kind of anti-meritocracy: the idea that anyone, properly encouraged and supported, can do a thoroughly adequate job, even better than adequate, in almost any endeavor.

It's an empowering, populist idea -- especially for those who, for whatever reason, have felt wrongly excluded or disrespected -- that is embodied in the story of Bush himself: a man with virtually no experience in foreign affairs or national domestic policy who has been a uniquely forceful innovator in both realms.

History will judge whether his actions are visionary or reckless. In the meantime, he is applying his intensely personal method for judging merit to pick a group of largely no-name Cabinet officials for his triumphal second term. This is not to disparage any of the president's selections. They are uniformly men and women of sound credential and solid achievement.

But even well-known Cabinet appointees such as Condoleezza Rice, a respected but inexperienced national security adviser, and Alberto Gonzales, a reverential and competent White House lawyer, have few credentials more important than the trust and confidence of Bush.

Snow, though undistinguished in leading a shrunken Treasury Department, will now shepherd Social Security and tax reform as the president's top domestic appointee.

Michael Leavitt, the current administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency, already is vetted and shifts easily to head the Department of Health and Human Services.

Margaret Spellings, the president's longtime Texas confidant, moves to the Department of Education despite often being overwhelmed as head of the Domestic Policy Council.

And Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld -- a surviving first-term heavyweight, who may have worked too hard telling Bush what he wanted to hear -- is increasingly left with only the president's trust and confidence as thin armor.

Now that Bush has won his final campaign and holds high a gleaming national mandate, he can be ever more himself. And for Bush, personality is destiny. What you do is not as important as whether you are deemed morally sound and trustworthy.

In other words, a "good" man -- or woman -- beats a leading expert every time. Welcome to the new meritocracy.
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Ron Suskind is the author of "The Price of Loyalty." Copyright 2004 The New York Times.