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To: Mary Cluney who wrote (213880)	12/25/2004 1:44:29 PM
From: TigerPaw	Respond to of 1585883

They are on the whole more passionate than those on the left. Many on the right wing do not think the world has a long future. They are willing to risk all for trivial reasons. TP

To: Mary Cluney who wrote (213880)	12/27/2004 3:16:17 AM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1585883

Actually, I think that makes it worse. The people who are not in daNile will at some point explode out of sheer frustration and fear. The red voters are behaving like someone who is driving erratically but won't give up the driving to someone else. Eventually, the fear will be too great for the rest of us. There will be a move to take some kind of control. I believe the 80/20 rule applies here also. 80% of the people are struggling to make ends meet and live virtually from paycheck (if they get a paycheck) to paycheck. They may not even get a chance (or have enough curiosity) to read the newspaper or watch the news on TV. I think your percentage is a big high. I think 50% are struggling to stay afloat. Of the other half, I think 20% are concerned, and the other 30% are in varying stages of apathy, concern, panic and total awareness. Of the 20% that follow current events and get a chance to read, 10% are really committed to right wing causes. They are on the whole more passionate than those on the left. These are the super religious, the super patriotic, committed racists (white racists as opposed to the black racists), and more recently the neoconservatives. They are on the whole better organized and better financed. More passionate, or more determined to do whatever it takes and to hell with decency and the laws? The people on the left are on the whole self centered, egotistical, and not willing to get outside of their own comfort zones. I guess we don't know the same people on the left. It looks to me that until recently, the left did not realize how ideological and committed the right was to having its way. The left is acting like a person who has been attacked unexpectantly by a neighbor that while not exactly a friend, was not considered a serious enemy. After the initial reaction of shock and surprise, the left began to coalesce begrudgingly behind Kerry in an effort to stop the tide. When that did not work, they became demoralized but I think that's stage is starting to pass; that shortly they will become more definitive in their purpose. Certainly, the left is putting up the good fight in the WA state governor's race. When money was needed to do a hand recount, Kerry personally wired some of the million needed. Watching the right in this race has been disturbing.........WA state was a place where the two parties had a competitive but good natured rivalry. That has all changed in this governor's race with the importation of Bush people behind Rossi, the GOP candidate. Now the state is becoming more divided. Stop and think for a moment.......while the left and the right are opposed ideologically, we were all supposed to be Americans. However, of late, that has not been the presentation by the right. For the past decade and in particularly the last 4 years, the right had begun to treat the left as if they are the enemy.....not on a level with Osama but on par with the French and the Russians, and sometimes even on the level of a Castro. That POV seem to intensify after 9/11. The right wing is committed to influencing and forcing their views on the rest of the population via talk radio, born again pulpits, and now they have jumped on the internet bandwagon (that is probably a neoconservative contribution - in addition to the brains they bring to current conservative views). No question.......this did not happen over night. It has developed over the last 20 years....starting with Reagan, growing more intense under Clinton, and coalescing under Bush. Much of what they say is not true but its what people want to hear.......unfortunately. The right wants to stop the progress of the past 50 years and go back. Its what they do best. This is a complete mismatch. The only way the right wing can lose is if they defeat themselves. You mean hang themselves. The rest of us can't risk that that will happen. They are in a very threatening position......they control most of the federal government and many of the state governships. Americans have done a very foolish thing and given one party too much power. Right now our right wing is going to defeat the Muslim right wing. The Muslim right wing will have a crushing defeat that they fully deserve. I hope you are right but I think a stalemate is more likely.....similar to the Israeli/Palestinian and N.Irish Cath./Prot. stalemates. Our right wing will be riding high on this victory. However, our right wing will inevitably destroy itself. First of all the right wing coalition will never hold. The neoconservatives will be the first to go. The superpatriots will then have a go with the super religious. How far can the super religious go with their belief in Creationism? IMO with Creationism, they would have to get rid of anthropology, astronomy, biology, chemistry, geology, mathematics, physics, and philosophy - just to get started. Just reading this is scary........it feels like some warped scifi story of the future. There is no question that the alliance is not only unholy but fragile as well. But then look at the Likud in Israel.........they have held power for ten years under the most trying of situations with parties coming in and out of their coalition, and yet they do not lose power. Again, I don't want to wait around to see if it will happen as you predict. The right is doing some serious damage to our laws governing the environment and our personal freedoms, and now they are determined to overturn Roe vs Wade. Its a dangerous time and the left can not afford to be complacent. Ultimately truth will have to prevail. That is inevitable. The left will never be a factor. The left will only be capable of observing and making clever comments. But ultimately, somehow, truth will prevail. I don't know how that is going to happen, but that is what will happen. I agree that the truth will prevail but someone has to serve it up and its not likely to be from the right. Some tried during this last election but they tended to be from an older generation........and very few in the right listened.