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To: sylvester80 who wrote (154830)	12/27/2004 5:10:40 PM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Boy, you are a smarmy son of a bitch, aren't you? Get Lost Sucker. Mike@BA-Baracus.com

To: sylvester80 who wrote (154830)	12/28/2004 12:36:22 AM
From: one_less	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

"...care to point to Jesus's teachings where he taught such? Or is that the Republican "Christian" hypocritical values evil manual you are reading from instead?" You might want to go to a Christian to get a response to your question. You are barking up the wrong tree here. I am not a religious scholar and I have not studied Christianity. The little I do know of Jesus's teaching are that he proclaimed the Jewish law to be in tact and something he fully supported with every cross of the T and dot of the I. The little I know of Jewish law indicates that at that time the law definitely recognised limitations of any human justice system to bring reconciliation to society and its members, the death penalty was active and Jesus did not speak against it. I have never voted republican. I am a registered independent. I voted for a third party candidate for pres and for Ken Salazar (a Dem) to our state senate. Salazar won and my pres candidate lost by a significant margin. The 'manual' you speak of is a fiction perpetrated by you.

To: sylvester80 who wrote (154830)	12/29/2004 11:06:07 PM
From: average joe	Respond to of 281500

"Interesting... care to point to Jesus's teachings where he taught such? Or is that the Republican "Christian" hypocritical values evil manual you are reading from instead?" That was closer to Socrates than Jesus. "Someone will say: And are you not ashamed, Socrates, of a course of life which is likely to bring you to an untimely end? To him I may fairly answer: There you are mistaken: a man who is good for anything ought not to calculate the chance of living or dying; he ought only to consider whether in doing anything he is doing right or wrong - acting the part of a good man or of a bad. Whereas, according to your view, the heroes who fell at Troy were not good for much, and the son of Thetis above all, who altogether despised danger in comparison with disgrace; and when his goddess mother said to him, in his eagerness to slay Hector, that if he avenged his companion Patroclus, and slew Hector, he would die himself - "Fate," as she said, "waits upon you next after Hector"; he, hearing this, utterly despised danger and death, and instead of fearing them, feared rather to live in dishonor, and not to avenge his friend. "Let me die next," he replies, "and be avenged of my enemy, rather than abide here by the beaked ships, a scorn and a burden of the earth." Had Achilles any thought of death and danger? For wherever a man's place is, whether the place which he has chosen or that in which he has been placed by a commander, there he ought to remain in the hour of danger; he should not think of death or of anything, but of disgrace. And this, O men of Athens, is a true saying."