To: Elroy who wrote (213921 ) 12/28/2004 7:29:43 AM From: Taro Respond to of 1572886 I lifted this from the OVTI thread on Yahoo and believe it has some bearing to this thread as well. Enjoy and learn some history. Taro"Hey, dumbf... do you have a clue why the Poles and Ukraines support our cause in Iraq? Because, unlike a dumbf... like yourself, they understand that what goes around comes around. They either stand up and support democracy elsewhere when necessary or expect no support for their own democracies" >NEW YORK POST >OUR FORGOTTEN ALLIES >By RALPH >December 22, 2003 >THE decisive turning point in the West's long struggle against >Islamic conquerors came on the afternoon of Sept. 12, 1683, during >the last Turkish siege of Vienna. Severely outnumbered Polish >hussars - the finest cavalry Europe ever produced - charged into the >massed Ottoman ranks with lowered lances and a wild battle cry. > >Led by the valiant King Jan Sobieski, the Poles had marched to save >Vienna while other Europeans looked away. The French - surprise! - >had cut a deal with the sultan. (To Louis XIV, humbling the rival >Habsburgs trumped the fate of Western civilization.) > >The odds were grim. Many of King Jan's nobles feared disaster. But >Sobieski risked his kingdom - actually a rough-and-tumble democracy >- to save a continent. > >On that fateful afternoon, the Polish cavalry struck the Turkish >lines with such force that 2,000 lances shattered. The charge >stunned the Ottoman army. A hundred thousand Turks ran for the >Danube. > >No army from the Islamic world ever posed such a threat to the West >again. >Poland's thanks for its courage? In the next century, the country >was sliced up like a pie by the ungrateful Habsburgs, along with the >Romanovs of Russia and the Prussian Hohenzollerns. It was the most >cynical action in European history until the Molotov-Ribbentrop >Pact, which divided Poland again in 1939. >But the Poles never gave up their belief in their country - or in >freedom. During our own revolution, our first allies were Polish >freedom fighters such as Casimir Pulaski and Tadeusz Kosciusko. >(Paris only joined the fight when it looked like we might win. And >France intervened to spite Britain, not to help us.) > >Throughout the 19th century, Poles fought for freedom wherever the >struggle raged, in Latin America, Greece and Italy, and on the Union >side in our Civil War. Although their country had been raped by the >great powers of Europe, Poles kept her cause alive. >Again and again, Poles rose against their occupiers, only to be >savagely put down, with their finest young men slaughtered or >marched to Siberian prisons. Then, at the end of the Great War, >Poland suddenly reappeared on the maps. > >What did the Poles do? They immediately saved Western civilization >yet again. In the now-forgotten "Miracle on the Vistula, August >14-15, 1920" a patched-together Polish army turned back the Red >hordes headed for Berlin. One of history's most brilliant campaigns, >it saved defeated Germany from a communist takeover. > >Poland's thanks? The slaughter of World War II. Then the Soviet >occupation. >But the Poles never gave up. Their language, their faith - and their >martial traditions - were maintained with rigor and pride. Of all >the countries that gained their freedom as the Soviet Union >collapsed, none had struggled for liberty as relentlessly as Poland. ---Continued..