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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (57787)12/29/2004 9:07:13 PM
From: TobagoJack  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 74559
 
Hello Maurice, <<The manoeuvres on China's territory haven't even begun. I wonder if those manoeuvres will be over on the border with Russia, or in a marine environment, or maybe planned for onshore Taiwan>>

... speculation is fun, and purer the speculation the more distilled the joy. You are limiting your imagination.

Perhaps, and just maybe, as the plan apparently calls for strategic bombers and submarines, but not a lot of soldiers, the games will be more of a longer distance reach from various bases, allocating force vectors around the ring of fire in all of the Pacific, perhaps encompassing mock-moves around Japan/Korea, but more Japan than Korea, taunting-motions around Fujian/Taiwan, but more Taiwan than Fujian, perhaps some special ops near where you are, and a surprising-landing in Tahiti, to hook up with the liberty-loving French, heck, maybe even a joint strut near where Snowshoe is, on way for a goodwill visit to freedom-loving SpottedCat; after all, that was Russian territory ... all to better keep the peace, you understand, since the King is kept very busy elsewhere, somewhere in Mesopotamia, which, by last reckoning is a long long distance away ;0)

I mean, after all, what would be the point of moving around hardware over the skies of Mongolia, and one cannot really transport a submarine to that admittedly very deep lake, much less two, from two different navies. I like the thought of Last Submarine Floating Tournament, but not in a bathtub.

I am fearful that your King George has single handedly revived an age-old game in which the US has had only 250 years of practice during its lucky time.

The good thing about nuclear democracy in whatever lopsided form is that it makes all nuclear states equal and nukes impotent, leaving matters to conventional assets.

The bad thing about conventional assets is that the assets useful in the last war to end all wars is not terribly useful in any coming conflict, as a rain of smart missiles render all old strategies old, however those strategies appear effective against desert tribes even as they proved not useful aginst determined foes in the jungle.

Further, the old conventional assets are expensive to maintain and prohibitive to operate, especially on borrowed financing.

I mean, when a Sunburn can disable a carrier, the carrier ceases to be effective, even as it is expensive to keep and hard to say goodbye to.

And so, the rest depends on human psychology and unity of purpose, or coincidence of interests, i.e. tactics and strategies, and occasionally, grand deliberate alliances and awesome coincidental coalitions, or cunning and smarts.

Think big Maurice, imagine rich.

As in Russia finances its revival by selling energy to J6P and China funds its revolution by selling dust-collectors to same J6P.

And both Russia and China are extracting savings from Japan and, in the case of China, factories from Saishoji-san, which and who in turn are also retrieving value from J6P.

J6P is very extremely important in this somewhat twisted world of ours :0)

In the meantime, the world believes that the Central Banks of the key states are keeping J6P afloat, not realizng that the 55 million overseas or ethnic Chinese with their trillion USD of liquid USD-space resident assets is in fact the key to the puzzle.

Is the schema and construct becoming clear to you?

Chugs, Jay



To: Maurice Winn who wrote (57787)12/29/2004 11:18:18 PM
From: TobagoJack  Respond to of 74559
 
Hello Maurice, continuing that Message 20898553 discussion , now this bit of alarmist fanfare ...

iht.com

U.S. rule of Pacific waves faces China challenge
By James Brooke The New York Times
Thursday, December 30, 2004


SAIPAN, Northern Mariana Islands One day in November, a nuclear-powered Chinese Navy submarine quietly slipped past this western Pacific island, home port for five supply and ammunition ships positioned here by the U.S. military for rapid deployment around the world.

"We are watching them," a crew member of a U.S. Navy nuclear attack submarine said at an American fast-food restaurant while on shore leave here. "The Chinese are a real concern."

Ever since the U.S. Marine Corps defeated Japanese forces here 60 years ago, the Marianas have been widely considered an American lake. Now, the United States may have to get used to sharing the western Pacific with China, the world's rising naval power.

According to military analysts, China is rapidly expanding its submarine force to about 85 by 2010, about one-third more than today.

"They want to become the dominant power in the western Pacific, to displace the United States, to kick us back to Hawaii or beyond," said Richard Fisher Jr., who studies Chinese naval strengths and strategies for the International Assessment and Strategy Center, a Washington research institute.

China is embarking on a $10 billion submarine acquisition and upgrade program and is buying destroyers and frigates and equipping them with modern antiship cruise missiles, according to Eric McVadon, a retired U.S. Navy admiral who served as defense attaché in Beijing in the early 1990s.

"The Chinese are converting their surface navy into a truly modern antiship cruise-missile surface navy," McVadon, now an East Asia security consultant, said after attending a naval review conference in Hawaii. "The modernization of their navy has taken a great leap forward."

In contrast, Russia, which once had 90 submarines in the Pacific, has mothballed all but 20. Japan has 16 submarines and no plans to buy more. The U.S. Pacific Fleet has 35 submarines, with many considered to be the most modern in the world.

"We don't have to worry about losing control of the seas anytime soon," Richard Halloran, a military affairs analyst based in Honolulu, said by telephone. "But the Chinese are moving a whole lot faster on military modernization than anyone expected a short time ago."

For its open-water navy, China is concentrating on submarines. The immediate goal, analysts say, is to blockade Taiwan, an island nation seen by Beijing as a breakaway province.

In response, the U.S. Navy is reversing an old Soviet-era formula, where the United States had 60 percent of its submarines in the Atlantic and 40 percent in the Pacific. In addition to shifting toward keeping 60 percent in the Pacific, the United States recently set up an antisubmarine warfare center in San Diego.

In January, Guam is to receive a third U.S. nuclear attack submarine, the Houston. In three years, the United States will have brought from zero to three its forward deployed submarines in Guam, the U.S. territory 240 kilometers, or 150 miles, south of here. Since March, the United States, using satellites and maritime surveillance planes, has detected Chinese submarines in waters west of Guam.

The Chinese Han Class submarine that passed near here cruised first near Guam. From the Marianas, the Chinese submarine went north to Okinawa, where Japanese forces detected it Nov. 9 as it shadowed a joint naval exercise between the United States and Japan.

Violating international law, the submarine passed between two Japanese islands without surfacing and identifying itself. Japan protested strongly, and Japanese officials said they had won a private apology from Chinese officials.

The rise of China's navy is watched with apprehension in the Pacific, where, down through the centuries, the islands have long been playthings for the world's maritime powers: Spanish, American, British, French, German and Japanese.

"I have talked to several Chinese residents here who are quite proud that China will have a big navy again," Samuel McPhetres, regional history professor at Northern Marianas College, said in an interview. "But are two big maritime powers willing to share the Pacific?"

In October 2003, a destroyer and a supply ship from the Chinese Navy made a goodwill visit to Guam, reciprocating a visit made one month earlier by two U.S. Navy ships to Zhanjiang, in southern Guangdong Province. It was the first call by U.S. warships to the headquarters of China's South Sea Fleet there.

But a few years ago, alarm bells rang in Washington when Chinese companies were the only bidders for a U.S. Navy ship repair facility that was to be ceded by the Pentagon to Guam's territorial government. Washington stopped the sale. Today, Washington is cautious about extending to Chinese tourists the same Guam-only visa privileges extended to South Korean tourists.

Robert Underwood, who served until 2003 as the territory's nonvoting delegate to the U.S. Congress, warned that huge Chinese tourism might scare away military strategists who are investing hundreds of millions of dollars.

Today's era of carefully negotiated port calls and surreptitious surveying reminds some historians of an earlier era. "In the 1920s American military and Japanese military had to size up each other to see what the challenges were," Daniel Martinez, National Park Service historian at the USS Arizona Memorial in Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, said in an interview in Saipan. "You could see today the potential of what was happening in 1930s, when the U.S. and Japan sought to spread influence throughout the Pacific."

"The Chinese influence in the Pacific islands will be very, very big, bigger than Japan's today," Hiroshi Nakajima, executive director of the Pacific Society, an academic group, predicted in a recent interview here. Eventually, Nakajima said, "Chinese interests and the American interest will clash."