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To: Yaacov who wrote (92434)	1/3/2005 9:00:54 AM
From: redfish	Respond to of 108807

"Those who question US and Israeli policy do it out of ignorance or envy" U.S. and Israeli policy have become one and the same. Anyone who questions the advisability of tying ourselves so closely to Israel is called a variety of names. Generally the name of choice is "anti-semite" but ignorant and envious are suitable alternatives, I guess. Personally I'm not willing to drink that particular flavor of koolaid, no matter how hard it is pushed by AIPAC, Americans with divided loyalties, and the Christian-Zionists. The U.S. doesn't really get anything out of its relationship to Israel. It's a give-and-take relationship; we give and they take. We would be a lot better off if the U.S. abandoned this particular tar baby but I doubt that will ever happen.

To: Yaacov who wrote (92434)	1/4/2005 11:22:35 AM
From: Grainne	Respond to of 108807

Sorry for misspelling your name last time, Yaacov. The massacres at Shatila and Sabra were committed by Lebanese Christians who Ariel Sharon let into the camps precisely so they could massacre civilians. I'm sorry if you don't want to face this fact, but an Israeli commission found Ariel Sharon guilty in the massacres. We could also discuss his long history of terrorist acts before that sometime. I have no idea what would have happened in Europe if things had happened differently in World War II, but I don't think anyone should pin their whole belief system on one event. I am more into looking into the truth of what happened on a more broad plain, and the truth is that all the early Zionists were terrorists of the worst kind, and Israel was built on their horrible karma, or whatever you want to call it. Terrorism in the Arab states began with the Zionist terrorists--the Palestinians became terrorists only to defend themselves. I would like to make it clear that there is a huge difference between opposing the existence of Israel and being anti-Semitic, though. There is a whole movement within Jewish culture that is anti-Zionist as well, and an Israeli human rights/peace movement. I realize there is a whole group of people who use the Zionist history of Israel to disparage Jews in general. Unfortunately the Zionists have given them an actual history of horrendous acts of terrorism and massacres of Palestinians to support their sick belief system. There is no hiding from facts, though, and it is not anti-Semitic simply to discuss the issue using reputable historical documents and news reports.