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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: one_less who wrote (19084)	1/6/2005 12:16:53 AM
From: average joe	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

There are those who think that life Has nothing left to chance With a host of holy horrors To direct our aimless dance A planet of playthings We dance on the strings Of powers we cannot perceive The stars aren’t aligned --- Or the gods are malign Blame is better to give than receive You can choose a ready guide In some celestial voice If you choose not to decide You still have made a choice You can choose from phantom fears And kindness that can kill I will choose a path that’s clear I will choose free will There are those who think that they’ve been dealt a losing hand The cards were stacked against them --- They weren’t born in lotus-land All preordained A prisoner in chains A victim of venomous fate Kicked in the face You can’t pray for a place In heaven’s unearthly estate Each of us A cell of awareness Imperfect and incomplete Genetic blends With uncertain ends On a fortune hunt That’s far too fleet...

To: one_less who wrote (19084)	1/6/2005 9:48:32 AM
From: Solon	Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 28931

In order to have ANY "present" moments we need to have events that are separated by space and movement, ergo: time. Change can only occur with time. Without movement there can be no events and thus no "time". With movement there MUST be time. Eternity is defined as time without end because it is clearly nonsensical to think of events without time. The idea of eternity requires past, present, and future; because if there is no before and after there can be no experience--because nothing can be recognized as having occurred, for the simple reason that under such conditions nothing has occurred. The fact that we experience "present" moments has nothing to do with the argument. The fact is that the "moments" are separated in experience. Some moments are before others and some moments come after others. We know now that time is relational and bound to events in space. It is our experience of movement, change, and events which constitutes the apprehension of time. If we do not experience time, then we do not experience events. If such a universe existed in some other dimension, it could not include the experience of anything whatsoever. To make an analogy: If walking to the corner does not require any time, then I cannot walk to the corner--because in order to walk to the corner I must move through a series of events. One cannot be two places at the same time. Thus, without time--no events can occur. Without movement relative to objects there is no time. So when the last electron comes to a stop in the universe (if it ever does)--time (which is either change--or our experience of change) STOPS.