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To: Neocon who wrote (155402)	1/6/2005 12:32:13 PM
From: GST	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

No, Bush did not go through the UN -- Bush massed an army on Iraq's border and told the UN to rubberstamp his decision and hurry up about it. That is not "going through the UN" -- that is pissing on the UN. The UN Security Council members quite rightly said -- well then piss on you. Clinton did nothing of the sort. Bush et al were shocked at the audacity of the UN Security Council to defy the US dictate. But few countries want a global dictatorship "led" by the US.

To: Neocon who wrote (155402)	1/6/2005 12:34:27 PM
From: GST	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

An update on US outsourcing of torture -- another proud dimension of US foreign policy. But let me guess -- torture is ok because Clinton would have approved of that too. Terror Suspect Alleges Torture Thu Jan 6, 8:03 AM ET Top Stories - washingtonpost.com By Dana Priest and Dan Eggen, Washington Post Staff Writers U.S. authorities in late 2001 forcibly transferred an Australian citizen to Egypt, where, he alleges, he was tortured for six months before being flown to the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, according to court papers made public yesterday in a petition seeking to halt U.S. plans to return him to Egypt. Egyptian-born Mamdouh Habib, who was detained in Pakistan in October 2001 as a suspected al Qaeda trainer, alleges that while under Egyptian detention he was hung by his arms from hooks, repeatedly shocked, nearly drowned and brutally beaten, and he contends that U.S. and international law prohibits sending him back. Habib's case is only the second to describe a secret practice called "rendition," under which the CIA (news - web sites) has sent suspected terrorists to be interrogated in countries where torture has been well documented. It is unclear which U.S. agency transferred Habib to Egypt. Habib's is the first case to challenge the legality of the practice and could have implications for U.S. plans to send large numbers of Guantanamo Bay detainees to Egypt, Yemen, Saudi Arabia and other countries with poor human rights records. The CIA has acknowledged that it conducts renditions, but the agency and Bush administration officials who have publicly addressed the matter say they never intend for the captives to be tortured and, in fact, seek pledges from foreign governments that they will treat the captives humanely. continued story.news.yahoo.com