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To: LindyBill who wrote (94090)	1/7/2005 12:04:18 AM
From: Sig	Respond to of 793843

Re Torture: What is needed here is originality, a set of movie actors as interrogators. Teamwork. Prisoners are in cells facing a wide aisle. The team comes in - an Arab looking General, the camp Commander, the cell block person who knows the prisoners by name .And a doctor pushing a stainless cart containing syringes and mean-looking shiny intruments. They have a long discussian in English about who refuses to cooperate, who they are going to "interrogate", with some arguments as to how far they can go. "All the way, says the General. That %^%$^ in cell 'c' has said nothing yet, but he will today" At the end of the cell block is an an interrogation cell, with eyebolts in the wall. After the discussion they remove a prisoner from cell 'c' who happens to also be an actor, a 'plant', and who starts complaining loudly as they escort him down the aisle. Now you hear the crack of a whip and terrible screams of agony from the interrogation cell. Finally the team comes back down the aisle, there are some fresh fingers and teeth lying on the cart and blood on the doctors outfit. While a guerney is wheeled out the back door with a body on it. Again the team stops in the aisle for an angry discussion about the amount of pressure needed to make the prisoners talk, and promises to get tougher tomorrow. Like :"Why dont we just shoot them all they wont talk anyway" with the Commander replying " No, we cant do that, its against the Geneva Convention. If this last guy recovers we will just say he was in a bad accident" Actors from the Mash TV series could do the job if they were not so well known. Never touched a prisoner, never forced them to do anything. But I would expect a whole new attitude in the prison population towards questioning after they discuss what they saw and heard. Sig

To: LindyBill who wrote (94090)	1/7/2005 12:21:23 AM
From: Captain Jack	Respond to of 793843

What a crock of crap! The paney organizations that are looking out for the rights of murderers, rights that US citizens do not have should be deported to Syria or Iran. The US military should turn all prisoners over to Isreal and ask them to interrogate for us. No Americans ever to be permitted near the detainee camp. The weak are conquered, the US is showing weakness!

To: LindyBill who wrote (94090)	1/7/2005 3:19:24 AM
From: KLP	Respond to of 793843

My Gawd, Bill. It's no wonder we are having so much trouble. Maybe more of these articles should be declassified, and let the American people know precisely just what has happened. Exactly what can be done to prevent these people from plotting against "Americans, Jews and Christians"....?? For the people who are criticizing the US, let each one of them say outloud just what they would have us do to prevent terrorism on a very large scale, and hopefully to protect all individuals and families that the terrorists have said they wanted to destroy. This is very VERY upsetting: >>>>In losing these techniques, interrogators have lost the ability to create the uncertainty vital to getting terrorist information. Since the Abu Ghraib scandal broke, the military has made public nearly every record of its internal interrogation debates, providing al-Qaida analysts with an encyclopedia of U.S. methods and constraints. Those constraints make perfectly clear that the interrogator is not in control. “In reassuring the world about our limits, we have destroyed our biggest asset: detainee doubt,” a senior Pentagon intelligence official laments.<<< Since the caught terrorists won't talk with the US, and don't wear uniforms, perhaps we should just keep them in their cells....food, water, no prayer mats, no arrows, no talking between inmates, yes to loud hard rock music blaring for hours (our teens seem to survive on it), a cot, blanket, toilet, sink, and that's it. A monk like existance for the rest of their lives. At least they wouldn't be able to harm more people if they are out of contact with them. This is what the terrorists are used to: >>>>>>>>Human Rights Watch, the ICRC, Amnesty International, and the other self-professed guardians of humanitarianism need to come back to earth—to the real world in which torture means what the Nazis and the Japanese did in their concentration and POW camps in World War II; the world in which evil regimes, like those we fought in Afghanistan and Iraq, don’t follow the Miranda rules or the Convention Against Torture but instead gas children, bury people alive, set wild animals on soccer players who lose, and hang adulterous women by truckloads before stadiums full of spectators; the world in which barbarous death cults behead female aid workers, bomb crowded railway stations, and fly planes filled with hundreds of innocent passengers into buildings filled with thousands of innocent and unsuspecting civilians. By definition, our terrorist enemies and their state supporters have declared themselves enemies of the civilized order and its humanitarian rules. In fighting them, we must of course hold ourselves to our own high moral standards without, however, succumbing to the utopian illusion that we can prevail while immaculately observing every precept of the Sermon on the Mount. It is the necessity of this fallen world that we must oppose evil with force; and we must use all the lawful means necessary to ensure that good, rather than evil, triumphs.<<<<

To: LindyBill who wrote (94090)	1/7/2005 8:08:10 AM
From: Lane3	Respond to of 793843

This article is getting a lot of favorable comment. That was a good piece. This is the kind of work that I had in mind when I mentioned yesterday that the administration had never provided a comprehensive explanation of its policies.