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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (214373)	1/7/2005 8:37:20 AM
From: Alighieri	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574199

If "faith" is the "embrace of beliefs contrary to reason," then by implication the only reasonable people on earth are the faithless. Yet the vast majority of people in this world belong to some sort of faith. What makes the faithless, i.e. a tiny minority, the sole stewards of reason? This is funny...you want to rely on human traits and characteristics to validate faith ...the same human traits that have led to holocausts, genocides, crusades, and thousands of other unspeakable crimes. How about a cheer for indipendence of thought? Al

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (214373)	1/7/2005 11:10:26 AM
From: neolib	Respond to of 1574199

If "faith" is the "embrace of beliefs contrary to reason," then by implication the only reasonable people on earth are the faithless. Yet the vast majority of people in this world belong to some sort of faith. What makes the faithless, i.e. a tiny minority, the sole stewards of reason? The faithless would be the "sole stewards of reasons" for the simple fact that they reject "unreasonable" beliefs. BTW, the best "plain english" rendition of Heb ch11 that I can come up with is: Faith is belief so strong, despite contrary evidence, that it motivates the believer to action to attain seemingly impossible goals. What I have never understood is why people of faith attempt to deny faith itself, by attempting to make religious belief appear rational. If faith is required in a given situation, there is definitely something irrational involved. On the other hand, people who attack faith are failing to understand the usefulness of something that can motivate one to attain seemingly impossible goals. The war in Iraq as executed by Bush & Co. is indeed colored by faith, from the mishandling of prewar intel to the continued assertion that things are getting better and going our way. However, faith may win in the end. The cause may be irrationally and poorly pursued, but victor might be obtained. Thats the rub!