Hello brian, <<you again and again frame my words to fit your statements>> ... I am merely discerning your underlying attitude from what you wrote, as you do my writing.
Just for example ...
<<My mom generation (those who lived under Japanese ruled Taiwan) did not feel any threat from then ruling Japanese. However they do feel threaten and hostility from YiWu and current CCP.>>
... ipso, the CCP which defeated the Nationalist and fought the Japanese are worse than the Japanese, according to your mom and now you.
<<You either are lack of histoy lessons or do not have a clue of what you wrote>>
... Jay is wrong about history, and so the Japanese must be OK.
<<Japanese colonized Taiwanese (after Ching dynasty gave it to Japan for almost 50 years)>>
Japan did not take Taiwan, a part of China, but China gave Taiwan to Japan ... therefore Taiwan can ... oh, you know the script.
<<just like you or your father generation resided in British colinized Hong Kong>>
... not quite brian, not quite just like. Some fought against the British, while others collaborated with the Japanese.
<<Those Japanese treated Taiwanese pretty well if they did not engage in political activities to overthrow Japanese regime>>
... therefore they were good guys.
<<(Sound familiar like your current situations under both China special zone ruled and British ruled Hong Kong?)>>
... not quite brian, again, not quite, as Beijing does not quite rule over HK, at least no more than Washington rules over Los Angeles, and that, to folks who think nothing of collaborating with invaders, may be difficult to understand.
<<My mom generation were raised either speak Japanese in school or Taiwanese at home. They were raised almost like a regular Japanese except did not have Japanese citizenships>>
... just listen to yourself for once. Sad.
<<Some Taiwanese were even drafted to fight Chinese troops (not sure about this part) and US troops then (no choice)>>
... because they were amenable to such acts, and there is the problem with Taiwanese of that persuasion, of which Lee Tung Hui is self-admitted one. I mean, the guy only betrayed most of the people he ever worked with and for. Hard to explain that to you and so no particular point.
<<After WWII, then came 1949, Chiang troops were kicked out of China and entered Taiwan>>
... wrong again. The right framework is "Chiang's troops retreated to Taiwan Province".
<<Those Taiwanese thought they were liberated by Chinese and welcome them as their kins>>
... you must mean "they were ready to collaborate with the then relocated central government".
<<Those Taiwanese did not speak maindarin at all. They could not communicate with each other>>
... I guess they also could not read or write CHINESE?!
<<We Taiwanese/Chinese are not indifferent like you>>
... Make up your mind.
<<We do not want to go through Japanese rule/Chiang rule/now possible CCP rule again>>
... who are "we"?
<<But 90 percent do not want to be under CCP especially those CCP acted like barbarians>>
... give it time, they will change their mind, and millions are already relocated, thousands more each day.
<<You are so used to be under colonization>>
Please, I have been living in HK since 1987.
<<You felt save and proud in Hong Kong>>
... you detect that in my writing? Good.
As to <<... under the British...>> ... sorry, my mind doesn't quite work like yours.
<<Japanese ruled Taiwan were definitely a better choice than the past Chiang regime and the future CCP rule if happen. Why? Japanese were neat, courteous, rule follwoing, etc.>>
OK, highly recommended then?
<<Taiwanese were not even aware of there was a civil war going on in China except some who did trades in China>>
... it is a weakness of collaborators and strength of the propaganda process>.
<<Chiang troops and Mao troops were equally bad and filthy then>>
... yes, I know, and the Japanese were clean, courtesous and rule-following, as claimed by you.
<<And my mom generation are almost the same generation Lee Den Hui generation. Those corrupted Chiang and current corrupted CCP are definitely a no no in Taiwan>>
... I think there lies the geopolitical issue and ethnic problem.
<<You, those dumb 1 billion plus brainwashed robot Chinese, Americans and those British lackey- BubbaFred :-)can not help>>
... OK, whatever. What ever does the British have to do with anything? Are they filthy too, unlike the nice clean courteous Japanese? I think you better stop, or atleast think the issues through.
<<Taiwanese might as well go independent>>
... can try, and might just try, as I had always figured as a possibility, and said as much on SI.
<<And you think current CCP do not need to improve?>>
... when did I say that? Now you are really making stuff up out of vacuum.
<<And you can not help in anyway because you are neutral in the outcome>>
... I am apolitical, as politics is not clean.
<<What do I need you as Chinese kins for? You might as well play a foreigner (by-stander)now>>
... I guess democratic brian does not allow for bystanders, a sort of "with me or against me" upbringing.
<<And you should feel indifferent to Japanese Naking massacres as well>>
... oh, you know about that, do you?
<<Japanese had to do what they had to do to win the war (by scaring Chinese to death through massacres) as ""you said the best wins">>
... now there is a twist, killing unarmed civilians, defenseless women and newborns as a part of winning military conflicts. Now I begin to understand the ME equation.
<<Before 1971, your CCP China were not a country as you would say ROC is not a country now>>
... you are sounding upset.
<<Chinese civil war never ended yet. Who is the winner?>>
... we do not know yet.
<<You wrote you were indifferent in the outcome of possible Taiwan China war>>
... now, now, that is not quite what I said, was it? You know better.
<<You better think it over about your conscience and honesty>>
... just did, perfectly clear.
<<Maurice ...>> LOL. Yeah, right.
<<And you worte me 1 billion plus robot Chinese against 11.5 million Taiwanese massacres? And you were worried about being "dogs of Asia" by Japanese ruled?>>
... now you are sounding not only upset, but frantic, disoriented, and not at all making sense any more.
<<You either are a British lackey or a CCP lackey to be indifferent under the situation>>
... make up your mind, which is it, cannot really be both, can it?
I suppose there is a third possibility, like ... independent thinking, clearly analytical, apolitical, seeing what will likely be, and stating so as much, while knowing right from wrong, but giving latidute to what simply 'is'.
<<It will not happen you will claim>>
... why would I claim that? I do not claim that at all.
<<However what if it happen?>>
... how else can it work out? well, in a lot of ways, as could the ME situation and a lot of other situations. Can folks not simply analyse and comment on the most likely without being accused of being cruelly pro, or heartlessly con?
<<Claim yourself to be lovely Canadian?>>
... actually I am who I am, but I am not that, and so just is. The paperwork means very little to me except travel convenience. There are certain issues, at the core, that is not a matter of convenience, but instead, right vs wrong, or in other cases, is vs should be. To not be able to distinguish the various flavors is a flaw, imo.
<<I know you just want to have fun and money>> ... well, yes, but not just fun and money, sometimes fun or money, but also watching what should take place happen and what should not be is was.
<<I feel sad to write all these statements to you>> ... don't be, and you know better than that. I certainly thought you wanted to pick a fight, perhaps I misunderstood, if so, sorry, sometimes I get carried away pushing folks' buttons.
I will now turn my attention to Maurice.
Chugs, Jay |
