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To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (92867)	1/7/2005 9:13:19 PM
From: KLP	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

commondreams is a Progressive site....If you look, you'll see that the majority of what they post is similar to communist/marxist materials.... Look under what they stand for in "about us"...and this link shows what is coming next. Amazing......... commondreams.org

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (92867)	1/7/2005 11:23:54 PM
From: Grainne	Respond to of 108807

There is a lot of information about the Nuremburg Conventions and the suppliers of death. Here is a brief description of the Nuremburg Conventions from Wikipedia. I am not an attorney, but I believe that Ramsey Clark, our former Attorney General, who has made these charges, is basing his allegations on complicity: The Nuremberg Principles were a set of guidelines for determining what constitues a war crime. The document was created by necessity during the Nuremberg Trials of Nazi party members following World War II. The guidelines are as follows: Principle I. Any person who commits an act which constitutes a crime under international law is responsible therefore and liable to punishment. Principle II. The fact that internal law does not impose a penalty for an act which constitutes a crime under international law does not relieve the person who committed the act from responsibility under international law. Principle III. The fact that a person who committed an act which constitutes a crime under international law acted as Head of State or responsible government official does not relieve him from responsibility under international law. Principle IV. The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him. Principle V. Any person charged with a crime under international law has the right to a fair trial on the facts and law. Principle VI. The crimes hereinafter set out are punishable as crimes under international law: (a) Crimes against peace: (i) Planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances; (ii) Participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the acts mentioned under (i). (b) War Crimes: Violations of the laws or customs of war which include, but are not limited to, murder, ill-treatment or deportation of slave labor or for any other purpose of the civilian population of or in occupied territory; murder or ill-treatment of prisoners of war or persons on the Seas, killing of hostages, plunder of public or private property, wanton destruction of cities, towns, or villages, or devastation not justified by military necessity. (c) Crimes against humanity: Murder, extermination, enslavement, deportation and other inhumane acts done against any civilian population, or persecutions on political, racial, or religious grounds, when such acts are done or such persecutions are carried on in execution of or in connection with any crime against peace or any war crime. Principle VII. Complicity in the commission of a crime against peace, a war crime, or a crime against humanity as set forth in Principle VI is a crime under international law. en.wikipedia.org

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (92867)	1/7/2005 11:33:30 PM
From: Grainne	Respond to of 108807

Here is more about the Nuremberg Conventions--again complicity seems to the the theme. I had located a list on the web of Iraq war crimes specifically against the Nuremberg Conventions and then lost it. I can try to find it again tomorrow. I also found lawsuits filed by American peace activists which give a good idea of the extent of our war crimes, but are not specific to chemical warfare. I can look for that again tomorrow as well. I think the most damaging assertions are by Ramsey Clark, former U.S. Attorney General and now Saddam Hussein's attorney as well. I am wondering if Saddam will ever be brought to trial. It was a brilliant tactci to hire Clark to defend him, since Clark is making the most allegations against the U.S. I don't think that Bush or the U.S. will probably be charged with war crimes, since we have opted out of the World Court, etc. because of just such a situation, a war where the U.S. is the aggressor and attacks another nation without sufficient cause. Principles of the Nuremberg Tribunal, 1950 No. 82 Principles of International Law Recognized in the Charter of the Nuremberg Tribunal and in the Judgment of the Tribunal. Adopted by the International Law Commission of the United Nations, 1950. Introductory note: Under General Assembly Resolution 177 (II), paragraph (a), the International Law Commission was directed to "formulate the principles of international law recognized in the Charter of the Nuremberg Tribunal and in the judgment of the Tribunal." In the course of the consideration of this subject, the question arose as to whether or not the Commission should ascertain to what extent the principles contained in the Charter and judgment constituted principles of international law. The conclusion was that since the Nuremberg Principles had been affirmed by the General Assembly, the task entrusted to the Commission was not to express any appreciation of these principles as principles of international law but merely to formulate them. The text below was adopted by the Commission at its second session. The Report of the Commission also contains commentaries on the principles (see Yearbook of the Intemational Law Commission, 1950, Vol. II, pp. 374-378). Authentic text: English Text published in Report of the International Law Commission Covering its Second Session, 5 June-29 Duly 1950, Document A/1316, pp. 11-14. Principle I Any person who commits an act which constitutes a crime under international law is responsible therefor and liable to punishment. Principle II The fact that internal law does not impose a penalty for an act which constitutes a crime under international law does not relieve the person who committed the act from responsibility under international law. Principle III The fact that a person who committed an act which constitutes a crime under international law acted as Head of State or responsible Government official does not relieve him from responsibility under international law. Principle IV The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him. Principle V Any person charged with a crime under international law has the right to a fair trial on the facts and law. Principle Vl The crimes hereinafter set out are punishable as crimes under; international law: Crimes against peace: Planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances; Participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the acts mentioned under (i). War crimes: Violations of the laws or customs of war which include, but are not limited to, murder, ill-treatment or deportation to slave-labor or for any other purpose of civilian population of or in occupied territory, murder or illtreatment of prisoners of war, of persons on the seas, killing of hostages, plunder of public or private property, wanton destruction of cities, towns, or villages, or devastation not justified by military necessity. Crimes against humanity: Murder, extermination, enslavement, deportation and other inhuman acts done against any civilian population, or persecutions on political, racial or religious grounds, when such acts are done or such persecutions are carried on in execution of or in connection with any crime against peace or any war crime. Principle VII Complicity in the commission of a crime against peace, a war crime, or a crime against humanity as set forth in Principles VI is a crime under international law. Index WWW URL: deoxy.org The Commission of Inquiry for the International War Crimes Tribunal deoxy.org