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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (155563)	1/8/2005 9:03:07 AM
From: GST	Respond to of 281500

<The Left nowadays has nothing to say to the victims of fascism> Actually, the Left is primarily focused on the victims of fascism. As for Saddam, it is clear that he had no WMD and no WMD programs -- foreign intelligence services are not lame enough to have been so utterly and completely stupid as to believe there was solid, much less overwhelming evidence of Iraqi WMDs -- that would be an admission of absolute incompetence. What did exist were doubts -- serious doubts -- about Saddam;s accounting for destroyed WMD. Without a proper accounting we could not be sure. There was no reason based on self-defense for the US to invade Iraq.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (155563)	1/8/2005 9:56:48 AM
From: GST	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

"Fascism, noun, a political system based on a very powerful leader, state control and extreme pride in country and race, and in which political opposition is not allowed"

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (155563)	1/8/2005 10:36:06 AM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Truth be told, it was reasonable to have different opinions on how to deal with saddam, particularly if there are no wmds either tb found or elsewhere. Demonization of saddam may have been overdone as we approached war, but now the de-demonization of saddam has gone much too far. And glorification of iraqi insurgents as freedom fighters is the other side of the same coin. We may not be able to subdue them in the triangle for a very long time. It may not be worth it for to continue the war but it should never be unclear as to who the good guys are in this fight. And thats what rankles me most. I may end up being on the same side with these folks if i think american interests can be served better by withdrawl to the north and south. I wont be comfortable breaking bread with some of these folks though. Also, Rummy must go. Sometimes scapegoating can be a good thing. He has become symbolic of this failure and this is politics and its not like we would be killing him or members of his family. Sometimes, its just time to call it a career. He should resign for health reason and Bush can pick someone who has some gravitas. Mike

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (155563)	1/8/2005 10:38:00 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

False Nadine. Just because the left does not want to say to the victims of fascism (well, one country dealing with fascism) "We will invade your country, to "liberate" you", does not mean the left has nothing to say. Saying Saddam was not a threat- in terms of a justification for war, is NOT saying he was an innocent sweet lamb. I am surprised you do not understand that. And if you DO understand it, then you are misstating the case on purpose. Your overgeneralizations about the left, based on your misstatements of one poster's posts, show great poverty of thought. Here is a question for YOU Nadine. If the US by their actions ends up killing more Iraqis than Saddam would have (and when I say killing, I mean both actually killing, and also setting in to motion events which lead to killing), and if the country ends up under an Islamic theocracy like Iran- just what will the Right have said to the victims of fascism? (victims in Iraq of course- it's not like we really care about them in Korea, or Africa, or Iran...at least not at the moment.) I don't think the victims of fascism want to hear that the US is on the way over with marines. That's kind of like out of the frying pan in to the fire.